The new party of no?

[Riot]

The other thing the Dems are doing is gearing up a better PR machine. They are notoriously lousy at publicizing their successes.

Passed largest middle-class tax cut in history - Obama, Pelosi Reid

Passed largest budget-cut in history - over 1 billion to reduce the deficit in one year - Obama, Pelosi, Reid

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Passed largest budget-cut in history - over 1 billion to reduce the deficit in one year - Obama, Pelosi, Reid

When you spend 3 billion on a mis-guided cash for clunkers program a budget cut of 1 billion is an insult. How much will the Pelosi $250 per senior cost?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

When you spend 3 billion on a mis-guided cash for clunkers program a budget cut of 1 billion is an insult. How much will the Pelosi $250 per senior cost?

You don't keep up with current political news, do you? And yes, cutting 1 billion out of the deficit is a very good thing, even if you didn't personally like a line item in last year's budget. BTW, have you seen the success of the government bailout of the auto industry? The taxpayers are making back their money on that one, and look at the industry saved, and the numbers of jobs saved (No, Dems cannot message worth a darn)

And we can cut 700 billion more out of the budget over the next 10 years, if the GOP would stop insisting that their corporate donation friends, the top 2% of earners (millionaires and billionaires) in the US, get an extra tax cut over and above the tax cut on income $250K or less get. I thought the GOP was in favor of lowering the deficit and fiscal responsibility? No?

Here's 'the' Austan Goolsby explaining it: http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and...plains-tax-cut

BTW, Obama announced a 2-yr freeze on federal salaries today (except military) - that's 1.3 billion saved over 2 years.

It's beyond obvious what we have to get rid of, in order to cut our deficit in the future:

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's beyond obvious what we have to get rid of, in order to cut our deficit in the future:

If you believe in the producer of the graph who is unfortunately for you is tilted far left.

How about we use the Office of Managment and Budget's 2009 graph



Ten Bi-Partisan Ideas and or Cuts
1)We need to return to is Bush's last budget of $3.1 Trillion. Current 2011 Budget $3.8 Trillion Savings $700 Billion Since Dems were so appauled at W's spending surely they can function on the same. Suffer Rating 0/10

2)Moratorium on all bailouts Savings $150 billion minimum Suffer Rating 0/10 in fact a Good Feeling Rating of 2/10 for those who paid their mortgages and didn't fudge their loan apps.

3)50% Cut in Discretionary Spending Savings $218 Billion Suffer Rating 6/10 but most everyone suffering will be a bloated Gov. worker with a fat pension. Answer Privatize everything from the TSA to the past retirement marshalls guarding Fed Court Houses. Move Gov offices to low rent areas of cities and towns. Frees up more expensive locations for private businesses and thus property and business taxes while providing action and security as a by-product of moving to the hood. Thus Good Feeling Rating of 6/10 for the non-government employee.

4)2% Cut in Mandatory Spending Savings $12 Billion Government furlough days, reduction in pensions and benefits and privatizing all menial jobs easy. Suffer Rating 2/10 for Government Workers. However a 2/10 Good Feeling Rating by Non-Government employees

5)10% Cut in Medicare/Caid Savings $68 Billion There's allegedly 10% fraud going on right now. Find it and punish those responsible. Good Feeling Rating 10/10

6)2% Cut in Social Security Savings $13 Billion Find the dead people's relatives who are collecting checks and recoup the money from them. Good Feeling Rating 10/10

7)Defense should be and is the number one focus of the Government and remains the same. Some things are priceless.

8)Deport illegal immigrants Savings $50 Billion minimum in addition to providing legal Americans jobs reducing school class size, crime and drug trafficing not to mention gangs and possible homeland security threats. Good Feeling Rating AMERICAN 9/10.

9) DNA test every baby born to affirm parents are correct as listed on a birth certificate. This will prevent any law suits and thus time and money in the future. Parents will be required to provide proof of insurance and citizenship before being admitted to a hospital. Nearby day-nurse facilities and volunteer doctors will be available for those w/o ( Being bi-partisan).

10) Re-evaluate the National Guard and Army Reserve's activities. Instead of doing things like 7 hour caravans, take for granted these mostly young soilders can stay awake and remain seated in a Humvee, and have them clear and clean Public Housing buildings, and run their caravans thru inner cities providing a more realistic environment and providing a bit of security as a side beni. (Don't know many gang bangers that would do a driveby while the Army was in the hood)

There ya go. Ten virtualy painless moves that would save $1.2 trillion a year minus some DNA tests and have the National Debt paid off in no time with plenty of benefits along the way!

[Riot]

If you believe in the producer of the graph who is unfortunately for you is tilted far left

You are saying the Congressional Budget Office is passing on false information? Please, do give us your figures.

How about we use the Office of Managment and Budget's 2009 graph

Why do we want to compare a deficit graph to an annual budget allocation graph? They are two different things. Apples and oranges.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are saying the Congressional Budget Office is passing on false information? Please, do give us your figures.

If you read the fine print your graph is based on analysis done by CBPP.org using CBO numbers. But you knew that.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

I asked my son who whas home for break from fsu what he thought of the prez..he said ' im not sure what hes doing..besides trying to get re elected' 'I was wrong in buying into hope and change. nothing gets done in big government.so why bother getting all fired up on issues that go nowhere'? 'a bigger government is not the answer'. I pointed out that on 90 perc of the issues hes lied as far as implementation of policy. troops still in war, guantanamo still open..ect..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If you read the fine print your graph is based on analysis done by CBPP.org using CBO numbers. But you knew that.

That graph has been out in public for months, used by multiple news organizations, and it's accuracy has been vetted. Sorry, your attempt to dismiss it out of hand is a fail. Your graph is something different. But what is the point of your trying to dismiss that graph of what is contributing to our debt? Are you contending it's wrong? The figures on that graph are the very figures being discussed this past week in the media by our Senators/Congressmen. Those figures are very public and are in the media today. You don't like the graph, you can check the CBO and get them yourself.

You posted a graph of one budget year. That's not the same as a listing of our debt over time. But I have no idea what you are trying to show by posting your budget year breakdown, and what that has to do with what is causing our debt over time. Yes, we have to cut stuff out of the yearly budgets.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

BTW, Obama announced a 2-yr freeze on federal salaries today (except military) - that's 1.3 billion saved over 2 years.

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BIG F'N DEAL and once again he gives the big middle finger to troops. The truth on Federal jobs.

"Federal employees earn higher average salaries than private-sector workers in more than eight out of 10 occupations, a USA TODAY analysis of federal data finds.

Overall, federal workers earned an average salary of $67,691 in 2008 for occupations that exist both in government and the private sector, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. The average pay for the same mix of jobs in the private sector was $60,046 in 2008, the most recent data available.

These salary figures do not include the value of health, pension and other benefits, which averaged $40,785 per federal employee in 2008 vs. $9,882 per private worker, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...eral-pay_N.htm

I think you made my point for privatization of most all things Federal. If the Average Fed worker is paid 20% more than the private sector employee we can save 20% percent off the Federal payroll and not lose a single job. Now the big savings comes when benefits and the crazy pensions are brought into the same hemisphere as the real world at a savings of $30,000 per employee. Currently there are 1.35 milion Federal employees, privatize half (we need Judges, Senators etc. I get that) and save just over 20 TRILLION dollars. Talk about a quick, easy fix!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

To summarize, ^^^ Attack the middle class , and cut tax on the rich. Same GOP stuff. You have many versions of the way to accomplish the same goal. Funny how you never want to lower the rates for Doctors, Vets, Dentists etc. People who continue to charge more, more, and more. No cutting them. Also, it's illegal to use someone else (to do what is usually the most routine work.) When someone is attacking people making less than 100k a year, there's a damn good chance it is a Republican. Their targets are rarely greedy people. They admire them.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

To summarize, ^^^ Attack the middle class , and cut tax on the rich. Same GOP stuff. You have many versions of the way to accomplish the same goal.

Give me a break I said nothing about the middle class.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Give me a break I said nothing about the middle class.

No, but those are mostly middle class people that you're wanting to take something away from. That's a pretty regular target for you. If people ever paid much attention, they'd see that Republicans have routine targets (poor people, and middle class people.)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

BIG F'N DEAL and once again he gives the big middle finger to troops. [/i]

Not including military troops in a wage freeze proposal is giving them the finger? You're nuts.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Not including military troops in a wage freeze proposal is giving them the finger? You're nuts.

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

That's the imaginary future. Yesterday he announced military salaries are not included in the freeze. But nice you worry about the troops, while you are willing to take other employees benefits and salaries away.

I'm mad at the next future elected Republican President, for daring to give unfunded tax cuts and starting a war with North Korea! He sucks!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

defense could use some serious cutting actually. we spend roughly the same each year on our military as every other country combined. yes, EVERY other country in the entire world has to be added together to match what we spend, alone, on our military. makes you wonder why we want/need allies, nato, the u.n., etc. we could cut our funding in half, and still spend 1/4 of the entire worlds military budget all by ourselves. that's crazy.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I'm afraid he will cut the defense budget and possibly military wages. Especially if he is able to con his way to a second term.

the defense budget should be cut... maybe by up to 10-20%. i'm sure if you went through the defense budget line by line, there would be a ton of wasteful spending in there.

& its ridiculous to think people's salaries should be cut by 20%. now as far as those government benefits go.. those should be more in line with the private sector for sure.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

BTW, Obama announced a 2-yr freeze on federal salaries today (except military) - that's 1.3 billion saved over 2 years.

BTW You got suckered once again.

"President Obama spoke of the need for sacrifice last week when he announced a two-year pay freeze for federal employees.

But feds won't be too terribly deprived in 2011 and 2012. Despite the freeze, some 1.1 million employees will receive more than $2.5 billion in raises during that period."

So once again we save $1.3 billion by freezing salaries but will give 11 of every 15 employess $2.5 billion in raises? How is this not called out as the utter bullshiat it is??? Somehow everytime this idiot tries to save us money it ends up costing us more money

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/.../12060301/1001

[Riot]

Do you just not read and understand the articles you post? The 1.3 billion saved is still saved. It's money not spent. The total budget will be 1.3 billion less than it would be if they don't do it (if Congress approves it, which I doubt the Dems will)

[Antitrust32]

the sad thing is 1.3 billion to them is like me having three pennies in my pocket that I just saved.