Done till Spa. F horse racing

[cakes44]

I never cruise YouTube.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Mark Casse didn’t claim foul.

Why claim foul when your horse came 8th (due to being out of gas?)

Look this is the issue. The horse fouled horses who couldn't get 10f.

If they'd of been close to the winner at the wire, then, o.k.

Putting the winner almost last for fouling 2 horses that didn't have the gas to get 10f .

That's the issue. It's not safety. If you're running almost 20 horses on rubbery jello with standing water, then, claiming safety is pretty rich.

[Alabama Stakes]

I never cruise you tube.

[NoLuvForPletch]

The point of the Bayern comparison is simply that the rules are applied subjectively. And clearly the horse racing world is okay with that. BTW says it himself that gate infractions are rarely if ever adjudicated. But why exactly is that "okay"? If Bayern wipes out 3 horses by drifting in out of the gate and Max wipes out 3 horses by drifting out with a quarter mile left to run in the Kentucky Derby, why couldn't the stews subjectively decide to leave him up in this instance in determining that the 20 couldnt win if they went around again and the 1 was partially responsible for climbing up on the 7 and bulling his way through before the 7 drifted out anyhow? My greatest surprise is simply how strongly those that feel he should have come down are expressing their thoughts while not acknowledging there do remain unanswered questions.

[NoLuvForPletch]

OK. Time out for 78 minutes. GOT is starting.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Why claim foul when your horse came 8th (due to being out of gas?)

Look this is the issue. The horse fouled horses who couldn't get 10f.

If they'd of been close to the winner at the wire, then, o.k.

Putting the winner almost last for fouling 2 horses that didn't have the gas to get 10f .

That's the issue. It's not safety. If you're running almost 20 horses on rubbery jello with standing water, then, claiming safety is pretty rich.

They weren’t closer because they were fouled. The winner was placed behind the horse they deemed he fouled.

This isn’t hard guys. Some of you are acting like you’ve never seen a DQ before.

Your not getting 10f stuff is silly since the horse you keyed that you claim can’t get 10f was a winner at 9.5f.

[tjfla]

I am done with Horse Racing forever or until "rules" are same for every race. If 2020 KY Derby has 8 horses DQ for bumping a horse out of the gate OR the 18 cut off the 14 to get to the lead then I will come back

Was a joke and yes I hit the Ex/Tri before Barbara decided to make the order of finish

[tjfla]

Maybe if the West's take their horses out of TC/BC races and take a year or 2 off of buying then the industry will realize what happened.

Stole a race from horse,trainer,owners and money from bettors

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

The point of the Bayern comparison is simply that the rules are applied subjectively. And clearly the horse racing world is okay with that. BTW says it himself that gate infractions are rarely if ever adjudicated. But why exactly is that "okay"? If Bayern wipes out 3 horses by drifting in out of the gate and Max wipes out 3 horses by drifting out with a quarter mile left to run in the Kentucky Derby, why couldn't the stews subjectively decide to leave him up in this instance in determining that the 20 couldnt win if they went around again and the 1 was partially responsible for climbing up on the 7 and bulling his way through before the 7 drifted out anyhow? My greatest surprise is simply how strongly those that feel he should have come down are expressing their thoughts while not acknowledging there do remain unanswered questions.

"My greatest surprise is simply how strongly those that feel he should have come down are expressing their thoughts "

Because most tossed a horse out that many people had, and misery loves company (a lot.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

They weren’t closer because they were fouled. The winner was placed behind the horse they deemed he fouled.

This isn’t hard guys. Some of you are acting like you’ve never seen a DQ before.

Your not getting 10f stuff is silly since the horse you keyed that you claim can’t get 10f was a winner at 9.5f.

Wrong, if he fouled horses that were gunna otherwise win then, they'd be closer to him at the wire. He fouled horses that couldn't get 10f, and that's most of the horses in that race. They took him down for fouling horses that couldn't get 10f. I wrote it twice, because you are too damn slow to get it unless it's pounded into you, unfortunately.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Wrong, if he fouled horses that were gunna otherwise win then, they'd be closer to him at the wire. He fouled horses that couldn't get 10f, and that's most of the horses in that race. They took him down for fouling horses that couldn't get 10f. I wrote it twice, because you are too damn slow to get it unless it's pounded into you, unfortunately.

Did you watch the race with your eyes open?

[Bruinguybry]

No one ever calls an objection in the Derby,” Baffert told me Sunday afternoon, by text. “It’s always a roughly run race. Twenty-horse field. I have been wiped out numerous times, but that is the Derby. I can see by the book why they did it. But sometimes you’ve got to take your ass-kickings with dignity.”

[Dahoss]

Baffert trains for the owners of Maximum Security and you can be rest assured if he trained War of Will he would’ve claimed foul.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That is a huge lie.

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).

War of Will was so empty late in this race.

Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

[hurricanefrank]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This was literally coming through the last turn, not in the stretch, and not affecting the outcome of the race....would you feel the same if they bumped out of the gate?

there is no rule in ky of which I am aware which speaks to "not affecting the outcome of a race." Besides, who knows what War of the Will may have done if not interfered with at top of lane. Outcomes of races are absolutely impacted by fouls which occur within the race. And yes Bayern should have been DQ'd.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hurricanefrank

there is no rule in ky of which I am aware which speaks to "not affecting the outcome of a race." Besides, who knows what War of the Will may have done if not interfered with at top of lane. Outcomes of races are absolutely impacted by fouls which occur within the race. And yes Bayern should have been DQ'd.

I always thought Bayern deserved to be DQ'd until I saw the view from overhead. When you see the head-on it looks like he took out the whole field. But when you watch the overhead view, it doesn't look too bad. After seeing the overhead view I don't think he should have been taken down. To be taken down for interference out of the gate, you have to really butcher someone. This was not that bad. Watch the overhead view. About 12 seconds into this video, they show the overhead view:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwL4IKBOzrs

[fpsoxfan]

A wise man once told me not to send an email or post on social media
When you’re pissed. I still don’t agree with the call but I understand
it. Am I still stinging a bit? Yes. But with that said I’m quite certain I will
Bet again prior to Spa.

The not sorry part is at the very least the thread (which is on it’s 8th page) has
Brought out some good debate. But better yet, it’s brought out some older posters including myself. I usually just check in on selection pages. So in that
Respect it kind of reminds me of the old days. That can’t be a bad thing. I think.
Lol. Thanks for everyone’s input.

Pat

[moses]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

War of Will was fouled at the 5/16 pole, just as he had made a move to get within a length of Maximum Security. He steadied and lost valuable ground when Maximum Security switched to his right lead and blew the turn. War of Will recovered and made up about 2 lengths on Maximum Security, who at this point was busy pinning Code of Honor against the rail.

When they straightened up, War of Will was no more than a neck behind Maximum Security with eventual winner Country House on the outside with a short lead.

War of Will did not wilt until the 1/16th pole (i.e., deep stretch).


Yeah, he had to make two separate moves for the lead less than a 1/16th of a mile apart.

Not sure why you wouldn't expect a horse that had its momentum taken away to tire late, especially after making a massive effort to get back into contention at the top of the stretch.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

A wise man once told me not to send an email or post on social media
When you’re pissed. I still don’t agree with the call but I understand
it. Am I still stinging a bit? Yes. But with that said I’m quite certain I will
Bet again prior to Spa.

The not sorry part is at the very least the thread (which is on it’s 8th page) has
Brought out some good debate. But better yet, it’s brought out some older posters including myself. I usually just check in on selection pages. So in that
Respect it kind of reminds me of the old days. That can’t be a bad thing. I think.
Lol. Thanks for everyone’s input.

Pat

I lost $100 at SA yesterday - what Derby

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Retire this horse. These sadists don't deserve to see him run. Period.

They won their little pc warrior fight. Now, you don't ever let them have the pleasure of seeing him compete for races that are secondary. You will regret letting them see him run again. They don't deserve it. They really don't.

Save disqualifications for horses that foul deserving winners (only.)