NFL O/U Total Wins

slotdirt · #1 08-09-2011, 01:52 PM

I agree Kolb is a massive improvement over the goofy Derek Anderson/Max Hall/John Skelton trio from last year, but three wins is a lot to stick on one guy. Are the Cardinals right now better than either the Rams or the Seahawks? I'd say the answer is no.

Edited to add that I completely forgot the 49ers, who are also probably a better team than the Cardinals right now. Though the Cardinals do get to play the Vikings, Panthers, Bengals, and Browns this year (all of whom should be wholly atrocious), so perhaps eight wins isn't impossible.

somerfrost · #2 08-09-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I agree Kolb is a massive improvement over the goofy Derek Anderson/Max Hall/John Skelton trio from last year, but three wins is a lot to stick on one guy. Are the Cardinals right now better than either the Rams or the Seahawks? I'd say the answer is no.

Edited to add that I completely forgot the 49ers, who are also probably a better team than the Cardinals right now. Though the Cardinals do get to play the Vikings, Panthers, Bengals, and Browns this year (all of whom should be wholly atrocious), so perhaps eight wins isn't impossible.

Not sure the Vikings will be that terrible.

slotdirt · #3 08-09-2011, 02:17 PM

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Not sure the Vikings will be that terrible.

I think they're a stone cold lock for last in that division, though the Bears are going to regress dramatically as well. Vikings just aren't as talented on the defensive side as they were a couple years ago.

clyde · #4 08-09-2011, 02:19 PM

Far too much hype on the Browns;too much pressure to win 6.5 games....3.25 is more realistic.

ateamstupid · #5 08-09-2011, 02:20 PM

The Cardinals' defense is still awful and they have no running game. It's gonna take more than Kolb and Fitzgerald to get them near the playoffs. Yeah, the division's terrible but the Cards are even worse.

slotdirt · #6 08-09-2011, 02:23 PM

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The Cardinals' defense is still awful and they have no running game. It's gonna take more than Kolb and Fitzgerald to get them near the playoffs. Yeah, the division's terrible but the Cards are even worse.

If it's possible, the Cards defense is going to be even worse than last year. Honestly? They have to be the worst team in the worst division in football on paper. I can't see a .500 season in their future. Don't forget they've also lost their two best WR's not named "Fitzgerald" during the last two offseasons.

Antitrust32 · #7 08-09-2011, 02:39 PM

the division is really a crap shoot.

If I was betting, I'd take the over. With the division they are in, and the schedule they have, I believe they have a better chance of going 7-9 than 6-10

Antitrust32 · #8 08-09-2011, 02:39 PM

But the biggest bet I'd make is the under on the Giants.

slotdirt · #9 08-09-2011, 02:44 PM

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But the biggest bet I'd make is the under on the Giants.

Lots of interesting o/u's in that division. I could make compelling arguments to bet the under on every NFC East team.

3kings · #10 08-09-2011, 02:47 PM

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If it's possible, the Cards defense is going to be even worse than last year. Honestly? They have to be the worst team in the worst division in football on paper. I can't see a .500 season in their future. Don't forget they've also lost their two best WR's not named "Fitzgerald" during the last two offseasons.

The defense picked up the best corner in the draft along with the a few lower level free agents. The remade the o-line and added Kolb and Heap. All that being said, they have six winnable division games plus play the Panthers, Browns, Bengals, Vikings, and Redskins. I will be betting the over.

ateamstupid · #11 08-09-2011, 02:49 PM

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The defense picked up the best corner in the draft along with the a few lower level free agents. The remade the o-line and added Kolb and Heap. All that being said, they have six winnable division games plus play the Panthers, Browns, Bengals, Vikings, and Redskins. I will be betting the over.

They also traded away their best corner. The point about the schedule is well-taken though.

slotdirt · #12 08-09-2011, 03:08 PM

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The defense picked up the best corner in the draft along with the a few lower level free agents. The remade the o-line and added Kolb and Heap. All that being said, they have six winnable division games plus play the Panthers, Browns, Bengals, Vikings, and Redskins. I will be betting the over.

It's fine to say they have a winnable division (what division isn't?), but the Cardinals are by no means the most talented or well-coached team in that division. Heap is about 87 and hasn't had an injury-free season, well, in basically his entire career. If he's who Cards fans are banking on to be a great complementary receiver to Larry Fitzgerald, then the Cardinals may be worse off than I thought.

Are the Cardinals a substantially more talented team than the remade Panthers? I doubt it. The Browns, Bengals, Vikes, and Redskins all royally stink though, no denying that.