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View Poll Results: What option would you choose for Social Inclusion?
$1.5MM G1 Belmont Stakes (12f) 2 3.77%
$1.25MM G1 Metropolitan H. (10f) 11 20.75%
$500k G2 Woody Stephens (7f) 26 49.06%
Any choice viable 0 0%
Skip weekend 14 26.42%
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:27 AM
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Default Social Inclusion -- what would you do?

Via twitter it has been reported that he had gate issues schooling this morning and has been asked to return for more gate schooling.

Obviously he is talented and very much belongs in the very best of races, but mentally I think he needs a lot of work. I probably would stay away from the mad house of Belmont Stakes day and look for a quieter spot to run.
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Old 06-02-2014, 07:37 AM
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GRENING: Social Inclusion "70-30' to Woody Stephens

After a disappointing experience at the gate on Monday, Social Inclusion is now most likely to run in the $500,000 Woody Stephens at seven furlong on Saturday as opposed to the $1.5 million Belmont Stakes at 1 1-2-miles, owner Ron Sanchez said Monday morning.

“I’d say it’s 70-30 Woody Stephens,” said Sanchez, who added he would wait til Wednesday - entry day - to make it official.

Social Inclusion acted up at the gate to the point where his connections are required to bring him back to school again on Wednesday. According to Sanchez, Social Inclusion acted up a little bit the first time but went in okay. After being backed out, Social Inclusion got "nervous and sweaty" and was difficult to load, Sanchez said. "To tell you the truth we were disappointed,” Sanchez said. “I wasn’t expecting that.”

Sanchez noted that with the Belmont Stakes starting in front of the grandstand, thus in front of a large crowd, Social Inclusion could possibly become unglued waiting to load. The Woody Stephens, a seven-furlong race, starts on the backside where there is no crowd.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:02 AM
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They need to call in Monty Roberts
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:13 AM
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Maybe a new trainer would help. But I don't think they'll ever take him away from Azpura.
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Old 06-02-2014, 08:37 AM
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Maybe a new trainer would help. But I don't think they'll ever take him away from Azpura.
Why a new trainer? It's not the first time I have read this and am trying to figure out what his current trainer has done wrong that would lead people to suggest changing trainers.
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Old 06-02-2014, 09:17 AM
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I think someone like Monty Roberts would be a good idea, I had a horse that was terrified of trailers and refused to load, hired a guy like Monty and that horse not only loaded, but never hesitated again, sometimes the more you fight them, the worse they become and they start to anticipate the ordeal, he needs a big step back before they ruin him forever, you can change their perceptions of their fear, but you need someone with this type of experience if you don't want him to continually be manhandled into the gate .
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Old 06-02-2014, 10:09 AM
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Why a new trainer? It's not the first time I have read this and am trying to figure out what his current trainer has done wrong that would lead people to suggest changing trainers.
Well, I've read a lot of criticism about the training pattern, his tendency for short 3 furlong workouts in particular, although Social Inclusion did gallop out strongly in the last work a lot farther.

I'm a huge fan of the horse though and saw no problem with his presence in the Belmont Stakes, up until the gate issues report.
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