Muslims have gone too far

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Nobody is talking about free speech here (edited to clarify that nobody = in context of your response to me where I"m certainly not talking about it). It's neat that you like it -- I do too, that's why I love this country, and I like our laws too, I'm glad we see eye to eye on that.

The idea that the quote below somehow only applies to Muslims is the crux of my entire response. To make it about anything more than that is just you having a conversation with yourself, since that's not what I'm talking about. Neat that Muslims shouldn't be able to tell people who aren't in their faith what to do, but other religions should feel free to continue to do so...how that moves into a discussion of free speech and American laws and what areas on Earth I may or may not find myself more likely to get killed is beyond me, but if you want to respond to the actual point I'm making, feel free to do so, I'd welcome that -- but MUSLIMS WILL CUT YOUR HEAD OFF IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!11!!!!! is not a response germane to my point, but thanks for giving it a shot anyway, RP.

even with this clarified responce its still apples and oranges.

Who cares if Christian try to tell people how to live their lives. They do that because they feel they are helping people be "saved" (aka go to heaven). The book they read tells them to do that. Its easily shrugged off.

The other case is completely different. a "jihad" is completely different than trying to teach people what the Bible (a completely fiction book IMO) says.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Who cares if Christian try to tell people how to live their lives?

But it isn't just telling other people how to live their lives. It is also people making discrimanatory laws (DOMA, etc.) at least in part because they think their religion tells them it is the right thing to do.

Now, I can't wait for someone to respond to this fairly obvious point with some sort of clever retort such as:
"How dare you say that DOMA is the same as 9-11?"

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by miraja2

But it isn't just telling other people how to live their lives. It is also people making discrimanatory laws (DOMA, etc.) at least in part because they think their religion tells them it is the right thing to do.

Now, I can't wait for someone to respond to this fairly obvious point with some sort of clever retort such as:
"How dare you say that DOMA is the same as 9-11?"

I can see how some people look at DOMA as a discriminatory law. I don't see it that way.

I heard the same argument with the whole Casey Martin debate on the PGA Tour. In case you're not familiar with the case, Casey Martin is a great golfer but he is disabled and he cannot walk 18 holes. He needs a golf cart. The PGA Tour will not let him use a golf cart, so he can't play.

Because of this, some people make the argument that the PGA Tour is discriminating against disabled people by not allowing them to use a golf cart. A disabled person is basically not allowed to play since he can't play without a cart. I understand the argument but I don't agree with it. I don't think they are discrimiating against disabled people. The PGA Tour feels that walking is part of the game. The game of professional golf is hitting the ball and walking 18 holes. Disabled people are not being discriminated against. They are allowed to play just like everyone else as long as they walk.

The PGA Tour has defined golf as hitting the ball and walking 18 holes. Marriage is defined by the union of a man and a woman. There is no discrimination in either case.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can see how some people look at DOMA as a discriminatory law. I don't see it that way.

I heard the same argument with the whole Casey Martin debate on the PGA Tour. In case you're not familiar with the case, Casey Martin is a great golfer but he is disabled and he cannot walk 18 holes. He needs a golf cart. The PGA Tour will not let him use a golf cart, so he can't play.

Because of this, some people make the argument that the PGA Tour is discriminating against disabled people by not allowing them to use a golf cart. A disabled person is basically not allowed to play since he can't play without a cart. I understand the argument but I don't agree with it. I don't think they are discrimiating against disabled people. The PGA Tour feels that walking is part of the game. The game of professional golf is hitting the ball and walking 18 holes. Disabled people are not being discriminated against. They are allowed to play just like everyone else as long as they walk.

The PGA Tour has defined golf as hitting the ball and walking 18 holes. Marriage is defined by the union of a man and a woman. There is no discrimination in either case.

In some states marriage is defined by the union of a man and a woman and in some states its defined by people over the age of 18 and not related or not already married to someone else as marriage. The rules of a game and the rules of life in my humble opinon cant be compared.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I can see how some people look at DOMA as a discriminatory law. I don't see it that way.

I heard the same argument with the whole Casey Martin debate on the PGA Tour. In case you're not familiar with the case, Casey Martin is a great golfer but he is disabled and he cannot walk 18 holes. He needs a golf cart. The PGA Tour will not let him use a golf cart, so he can't play.

Because of this, some people make the argument that the PGA Tour is discriminating against disabled people by not allowing them to use a golf cart. A disabled person is basically not allowed to play since he can't play without a cart. I understand the argument but I don't agree with it. I don't think they are discrimiating against disabled people. The PGA Tour feels that walking is part of the game. The game of professional golf is hitting the ball and walking 18 holes. Disabled people are not being discriminated against. They are allowed to play just like everyone else as long as they walk.

The PGA Tour has defined golf as hitting the ball and walking 18 holes. Marriage is defined by the union of a man and a woman. There is no discrimination in either case.

ugh, your opinion is completely wrong, but you are entitled to it. Put yourself in someone else's shoes and tell me its not discriminatory. DOMA also violates the Equal Protection clause in the Constitution.

Comparing it to a game that is run by the PGA is very insulting, though I'm sure you didnt mean it to be that way.

Augusta doesnt allow women to be members.. they are a private club and its' their right (just like the PGA). Is it discriminatory though? hell yes.

the USA is different story

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

But it isn't just telling other people how to live their lives. It is also people making discrimanatory laws (DOMA, etc.) at least in part because they think their religion tells them it is the right thing to do.

Now, I can't wait for someone to respond to this fairly obvious point with some sort of clever retort such as:
"How dare you say that DOMA is the same as 9-11?"

DOMA was signed by Clinton & was a bi-partisan bill.. wasnt created by a Pastor or something.

I understand that a lot of Christians have a very set in stone stance on this issue. But so do many other people who arent religious. The church didnt make the bill. Apples & Oranges to me (and not because of 9-11)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

DOMA was signed by Clinton & was a bi-partisan bill.. wasnt created by a Pastor or something.

I don't see what the bipartisan bit has to do with anything. Although bigotry based on religioius motivations is certainly more common among Republican lawmakers than Democrats, it hardly follows strict partisan lines.
There are a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who embrace bigotry because of their religion. I think that helps make my point. Clearly religion isn't the only thing that drives these people to do what they do, but it is certainly a factor for many.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I've been reading about the controversy over drawing Muhammad. Besides the death threats to the South Park creators, now they want to control what people can draw on Facebook?

From what I could tell, they've been successful in getting groups deleted which relate to the topic "Draw Muhammad" and now all the groups are getting overrun with "Everybody Against Draw Muhammad Day" type groups.

It's insane logic, they shouldn't be able to tell what someone who isn't part of their faith can and can't do!!

All you have to do is go on Facebook and search for "Draw Muhammad," click on some of the groups/pages and read through them, and you will read some of the most illogical arguments used by Muslims to justify their actions in restricting American freedom.

Do you expect anything more from these Muslims? They are making the law abiding Muslims look bad and that is a shame. Its okay for them to burn our flag, but if we do something to them its not okay.