Muslims have gone too far

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I also don't feel that people wanting to force others to behave in certain ways based on the way they believe is a strictly Muslim issue. I have no problem admitting that the extremes that many Muslims take it to including death threats gets ridiculous and there is NO comparison to Christians or other groups -- but to pretend that *only* Muslims get ridiculous or *only* Muslims want to tell other people what to do (which is why I re-quoted that original sentence in the original post...maybe LWM wouldn't have said it quite that way a second time around, either) is an argument that continually gets made. It's not a trading game where one extreme example cancels out another and then Muslims are left with more than other religions -- crazies are everywhere, and it sounded to me like LWM's post was doing what lots of people do in pretending that Muslims are the only ones capable belonging to the pushy beliefs club and the extreme actions club.

When Christians, Catholics, Jews etc go nuts its "that guy/girl was whacko", but when someone named Mohammed does it it"s "those f'in Muslims".

The Atlanta Olympic bomber, Kansas Abortion Clinic Dr murderer, Oklahoma City Bomber, and on and on....all non-Muslims acting in the name of these bull sh*t "America" Religions...

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Christians, Catholics, Jews etc go nuts its "that guy/girl was whacko", but when someone named Mohammed does it it"s "those f'in Muslims".

The Atlanta Olympic bomber, Kansas Abortion Clinic Dr murderer, Oklahoma City Bomber, and on and on....all non-Muslims acting in the name of these bull sh*t "America" Religions...

OK, were those alleged Christian perpetrators promised 72 virgins in paradise for their acts?

How about looking at scale: when was the last time 19 Christians killed over 3000 innocent people?

And the people saying "They will cut your head off in the middle east" are correct -- we don't have anything like that on the books over here. When we occasionally do carry out the sentence in a capital case, it's after many levels of mandatory appeals and normally around 25 years after the crime -- and the crimes are not defined by religious offenses.

Is decapitating an infidel considered "measured response" in the middle east? Ask Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

OK, were those alleged Christian perpetrators promised 72 virgins in paradise for their acts?

How about looking at scale: when was the last time 19 Christians killed over 3000 innocent people?

And the people saying "They will cut your head off in the middle east" are correct -- we don't have anything like that on the books over here. When we occasionally do carry out the sentence in a capital case, it's after many levels of mandatory appeals and normally around 25 years after the crime -- and the crimes are not defined by religious offenses.

Is decapitating an infidel considered "measured response" in the middle east? Ask Daniel Pearl or Nick Berg.

How about over the last few thousand years? Some of the worst atrocities in the history of mankind were done in the name of Christianity. Surely this fact has not escaped you.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

When Christians, Catholics, Jews etc go nuts its "that guy/girl was whacko", but when someone named Mohammed does it it"s "those f'in Muslims"....

Notice how people in the other religions have no problem condemning "whacko" acts, but Muslims are often very slow to condemn these horrible acts. How many of them are complaining about Muslims threatening to kill people over cartoons n' such crap? These people are members of a glorified gang. I will remind you that he told them to kill members who try to leave the faith. Those are gang rules. Just want you to know the rules the scum (your sticking up for) have been given by their thug "prophet." This is a gang. 20-25% of the world belong to a damn gang of scum. Any chance they get, they are gunna bring pain to those who choose not to join this gang. I feel like the legit point people want to make is that nobody should be singled out, and threatened physically for their "religious belefs." That an important point, but somewhere along the line these people have to understand that non-Muslims are no longer gunna put up with their crap. That includes not putting up with their threats to kill people who draw images they don't like. FK THEM. It's called freedom, and their Prophet didn't like Freedom. Fk him, too.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Notice how people in the other religions have no problem condemning "whacko" acts, but Muslims are often very slow to condemn these horrible acts. How many of them are complaining about Muslims threatening to kill people over cartoons n' such crap? .

Quite a lot. You just don't care to see it, in your eagerness to condemn millions of people for the acts of a few.

You might try reading the Qur'an, rather than just quoting crazy hate group blogosphere interpretations. I don't care that you hate everyone within one particular religion. You're entitled, I guess. But I sure don't have to suffer the constant repetition of such crap without comment.

I'd rather read the Qdoba menu.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I'd rather read the Qdoba menu.

Anything good on the menu?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Quite a lot. You just don't care to see it, in your eagerness to condemn millions of people for the acts of a few.

A few pretty loud and destructive people, it only took a few to kill thousands on 9/11 . The same few that kill their own people everyday but that is ok because its for Allah. If a person of the Muslim faith doesnt want to be lumped in with terrorists that they need to be loud and proud and that doesnt mean just a few lines in the papers saying we denounce their actions . They need to get active and protest their own people in their home lands , hold demonstrations and boycott business or people that are suspected of supporting terrorism . But that wont happen beacuse the few you speak of scare the crap outta the very few that speak up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

A few pretty loud and destructive people, it only took a few to kill thousands on 9/11 . The same few that kill their own people everyday but that is ok because its for Allah. If a person of the Muslim faith doesnt want to be lumped in with terrorists that they need to be loud and proud and that doesnt mean just a few lines in the papers saying we denounce their actions . They need to get active and protest their own people in their home lands , hold demonstrations and boycott business or people that are suspected of supporting terrorism . But that wont happen beacuse the few you speak of scare the crap outta the very few that speak up.

Wrong. You might notice the very public response of many Muslim groups in the US to terrorism.

Yes, it only took a few: terrorists - not everyone sharing that religion.

Why continue to ignore that nearly every homegrown US terrorist over the past 25 years has killed us (fellow citizens) in the name of Christ?

Yeah, those American citizen Christians have to speak out, they are all terrorists in the name of their God until proven otherwise.

There are plenty of loud and proud Muslims. Of course, it's difficult to be that in the USA, even for Muslim USA citizens, due to the blanket bigotry and hatred displayed here against them by their fellow citizens.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wrong. You might notice the very public response of many Muslim groups in the US to terrorism.

Yes, it only took a few: terrorists - not everyone sharing that religion.

Why continue to ignore that nearly every homegrown US terrorist over the past 25 years has killed us (fellow citizens) in the name of Christ?

Yeah, those American citizen Christians have to speak out, they are all terrorists in the name of their God until proven otherwise.

There are plenty of loud and proud Muslims. Of course, it's difficult to be that in the USA, even for Muslim USA citizens, due to the blanket bigotry and hatred displayed here against them by their fellow citizens.

No Im not wrong , you dont see boycotts or protesting happening , you see words on a page nothing more. If the governments that harbor terrorists and the civilians who are against terrorism were to be louder and prouder maybe just maybe then I would accept that the opposition that some proclaim was real . A Pakastani military officer knew of the plan to set of a bomb in Time's square did he say anything ???? No he just let it roll off his back and the Pakastani military is supposed to be on our side when it comes to terrorism. Dont you remember when 9/11 happened they showed footage from Middle Eastern countries of people rejoicing in the streets that a whole bunch of Americans just died? I dont hate anyone but I hate the things people do and as for the our homegrown terrorists I think we have done a pretty good job of quelling that situation . As for anyone who kills in the name of Christ or any diety they believe in are just really sh.itty people who are so weak minded that they cant recognize right and wrong.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why continue to ignore that nearly every homegrown US terrorist over the past 25 years has killed us (fellow citizens) in the name of Christ?

Yeah, those American citizen Christians have to speak out, they are all terrorists in the name of their God until proven otherwise.

You mean Southern Baptists like Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 12 soldiers and 1 civilian at Fort Hood. Or how about D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. Or maybe Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who shot two privates at an Army recruiting office in Little Rock in 2009.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

You mean Southern Baptists like Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 12 soldiers and 1 civilian at Fort Hood. Or how about D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. Or maybe Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who shot two privates at an Army recruiting office in Little Rock in 2009.

in her opinion this is bigoted.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

You mean Southern Baptists like Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 12 soldiers and 1 civilian at Fort Hood. Or how about D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. Or maybe Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad, who shot two privates at an Army recruiting office in Little Rock in 2009.

Nice try. No, I mean Christians like Eric Rudolf, Tim McVey, Scott Roeder.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Riot

There are plenty of loud and proud Muslims. Of course, it's difficult to be that in the USA, even for Muslim USA citizens, due to the blanket bigotry and hatred displayed here against them by their fellow citizens.

Oh, we are supposed to like people that belong to an organization that believes in killing (or heavily taxing) anyone who won't join their gang? Maybe these Pet Muslims you write about are acting nice, because they aren't in the majority. Put them in a Muslim Majority Country, and see the real them. Far as blanket stuff goes, haven't you noticed how these countries % of Muslims are in the hi 90's? That's what happens when a Prophet tells his followers to kill those who try to leave the religion. Any time they get a majority, they try to turn that in to a hi 90's % of the population. You say some of these Muslims are good, but they choose to follow the teachings of a Pedophile who told males to treat their women like farm animals. They follow a man who said 1 man's word is equal to that of 2 women. They choose to follow the teachings of a man that butchered non believers. I'm sorry, but I can't see how Muslims can be good people. You can't follow this person's teachings, and be a good person. I don't understand the huge free pass you give people that choose to follow a guy who fkd a girl that played with dolls. If he was here, he'd be put in prison for this, and this is the person you say good people can follow? I don't think so. I'm not getting this assumption you have that says "good people" can follow.... a butcher.....a pedophile......someone who calls for the killing of those leaving the "faith." It's obvious that you're ignoring core beliefs. To me, someone who follows this person's teachings is not "good people." These aren't people following some Latter Day Saint. Far as I know, Mormons aren't out to kill people that refuse to buy into their belief system. Islam has clear stated goals. If people say they belong to that belief system, then I have to accept the fact that (push come to shove) they are gunna be in support of the world domination ordered by their Prophet. Do you folks have a portion of your brain that won't allow you to fully accept the stated goals of this religion? I think so. I'm not going to harm these people, but I don't see any way that these can be "good people." Their goals are not good for non-Muslims. That light has got to (someday) go on.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Oh, we are supposed to like people that belong to an organization that believes in killing (or heavily taxing) anyone who won't join their gang?.

"We" don't all buy into your description. Some of "we" think your knowledge of Islam is colored only by information provided by hate sites. Some of "we" think some of the things you say about "Muslims" (as a whole) are absurdly, patently and simply wrong.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Quite a lot. You just don't care to see it, in your eagerness to condemn millions of people for the acts of a few.

You might try reading the Qur'an, rather than just quoting crazy hate group blogosphere interpretations. I don't care that you hate everyone within one particular religion. You're entitled, I guess. But I sure don't have to suffer the constant repetition of such crap without comment.

I hate to break you this news but Osama Bin Laden is fairly popular throughout the Muslim world. It's not as if 99% of Muslims dislike Bin Laden. I don't know exactly what his popularity numbers are amongst Muslims around the world today, but I know his numbers were pretty high fairly soon after 9/11.

You might try reading the Koran. It says that anyone who defames the prophet(Muhammad) must die. I remember when the author Salman Rushdie wrote the book The Satanic Verses. In the book, he mocked Muhammad in some way. There ended up being a bounty put on Rushdie's head for mocking Muhammad. I remember at the time, a reporter went up to the singer/songwriter Cat Stevens (who is a devout Muslim) to ask him what he thought of the bounty being put on Rushdie's head. Stevens responded that the Koran clearly states that anyone who defames the prophet must die. So he was basically in favor of Rushdie being killed.

It's not like only a small number of Muslims thought Rushdie should die. A fairly high number thought he should die.

I think the vast majority of Muslims that live in the US are probably pretty good people. Thankfully most of them don't take the Koran literally.

[Riot]

I hate to break you this news but Osama Bin Laden is fairly popular throughout the Muslim world. It's not as if 99% of Muslims dislike Bin Laden. I don't know exactly what his popularity numbers are amongst Muslims around the world today,

So which is it? He's "fairly popular" or "I don't know" exactly how popular he is?

Considering all the the people of Muslim faith that condemned OBL at the time - and continue to, and continue to condemn terrorist acts - you don't seem to have much support for your guess.

You might try reading the Koran. It says that anyone who defames the prophet(Muhammad) must die.

You might try reading the Koran - where it says absolutely one will not commit murder. Or maybe the part about Jesus- yeah, that Jesus - being a revered prophet.

Or maybe try to learn about religions - how all religions (including the "Christian" ones) have differing and various sects that follow and believe vastly different things. For example, there is that American one that has killed thousands of people over the years in the name of God, with their God's support, 'cause the bible told them to ... oh yeah, the KKK.

I think the vast majority of Muslims that live in the US are probably pretty good people.

As long as they keep quiet and hide their religion from the hate of some of their fellow Americans, the fellow Americans that presume "they" are all killing terrorists because they happen to be of a certain religion others fear and misunderstand.

[Antitrust32]

Riot I think you should go try to live in the middle east, lets say Pakistan, for a little while and report back your findings.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Riot I think you should go try to live in the middle east, lets say Pakistan, for a little while and report back your findings.

You think Pakistan is representative of the Muslim world?

Seriously?

Sorry - I don't buy into the "all Muslims are terrorists" bigotry. But you guys go right ahead.

Perhaps you guys should watch this. Seems to fit right into the sentiments expressed here by some:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/i...iraqi-children

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Riot I think you should go try to live in the middle east, lets say Pakistan, for a little while and report back your findings.

Anything to keep that b.itch off the forum.