Muslims have gone too far

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

But it isn't just telling other people how to live their lives. It is also people making discrimanatory laws (DOMA, etc.) at least in part because they think their religion tells them it is the right thing to do.

Now, I can't wait for someone to respond to this fairly obvious point with some sort of clever retort such as:
"How dare you say that DOMA is the same as 9-11?"

DOMA was signed by Clinton & was a bi-partisan bill.. wasnt created by a Pastor or something.

I understand that a lot of Christians have a very set in stone stance on this issue. But so do many other people who arent religious. The church didnt make the bill. Apples & Oranges to me (and not because of 9-11)

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

DOMA was signed by Clinton & was a bi-partisan bill.. wasnt created by a Pastor or something.

I don't see what the bipartisan bit has to do with anything. Although bigotry based on religioius motivations is certainly more common among Republican lawmakers than Democrats, it hardly follows strict partisan lines.
There are a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who embrace bigotry because of their religion. I think that helps make my point. Clearly religion isn't the only thing that drives these people to do what they do, but it is certainly a factor for many.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by miraja2

I don't see what the bi-partisan bit has to do with anything. Although bigotry based on religioius motivations is certainly more common among Republican lawmakers than Democrats, it hardly follows strict partisan lines.
There are a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who embrace bigotry because of their religion. That was my point. Clearly religion isn't the only thing that drives these people to do what they do, but it is certainly a factor.

i'll agree that its a factor. I think the main factor involved is the time period when people grew up. in 1996 when the law was passed (and still today).. its a bunch of old, white fogies in Congress who grew up in a time period FAR different than mine. Gays were something people shouldnt even TALK about back then (40's, 50's etc).. I mean a ton of people thought it was a disability or disease.

When my Dad was a kid they could buy a candy called nigg.r babies. I dont think Jesus or the bible said anything about if you are black you go to hell. But in that time period White > Black. (i'm not trying to compare gay rights to civil rights - while they are some what similar, there's really no comparison in the big picture).

It was the mind set of that time period. Same with gays. These "the greatest generation" people feel that way. These people are still alive and they still have the same sentiments. Of course civil rights laws passed, but I would bet a million bucks that the "greatest generation" (as they call themselves) are a ton more racist than the younger, more open minded people.

So IMO, DOMA had more to do with that than Christianity.

Give it a few years, let some more fogies die off, and it will all change. There's no chance that in 15-20 years DOMA is still in effect. All states, save Utah and maybe a southern state or two, will have Gay Marriage.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i'll agree that its a factor. I think the main factor involved is the time period when people grew up. in 1996 when the law was passed (and still today).. its a bunch of old, white fogies in Congress who grew up in a time period FAR different than mine. Gays were something people shouldnt even TALK about back then (40's, 50's etc).. I mean a ton of people thought it was a disability or disease.

When my Dad was a kid they could buy a candy called nigg.r babies. I dont think Jesus or the bible said anything about if you are black you go to hell. But in that time period White > Black. (i'm not trying to compare gay rights to civil rights - while they are some what similar, there's really no comparison in the big picture).

It was the mind set of that time period. Same with gays. These "the greatest generation" people feel that way. These people are still alive and they still have the same sentiments. Of course civil rights laws passed, but I would bet a million bucks that the "greatest generation" (as they call themselves) are a ton more racist than the younger, more open minded people.

So IMO, DOMA had more to do with that than Christianity.

Give it a few years, let some more fogies die off, and it will all change. There's no chance that in 15-20 years DOMA is still in effect. All states, save Utah and maybe a southern state or two, will have Gay Marriage.

The candy you are referring to was called "chocolate babies"