PA Mom gets prison for getting daughter abortion

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I need to see links with proof that a woman making under $17k qualifies for "free" abortions at clinics in Illinois. Otherwise you're just making that up..

It's not at clinics but at PP in Janesville WI not IL. I serve as a sort of counselor, tax preparer, legal consultant etc. etc. for a bunch of clueless waitresses at a local restaurant so not 'just making it up' a la RIOT.

According to PP's Western PA Webpage

Title X program PPWP provides free services for teens ages17 and under. For women and men over age 17, fees for services are based on your household income and may be free. - See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pla....3sIUUoqQ.dpuf

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Along, of course, with mandatory birth control education and cheap (preferably free) access to birth control for both men and women.

And of course, as this woman is being sent to jail, her daughter is now I imagine going to foster care, which is also going to cost the taxpayer.

Hey you're preaching to the choir even though I am a man and can't comprehend what pregnant women are going through. I realize it's in society's, the woman who is pregnant and doesn't want to be, the woman not pregnant and not wanting to be and the taxpayer's interest and benefit to terminate and prevent any and all unwanted pregnancies and especially for pregnancies that will likely produce yet more societal dependents.

The money spent terminating a pregnancy equals less than two months of support money likely needed for years. Too bad the lifers seem to have more political clout than the fiscally conservative in twisting the arm of the GOP to remain anti-abortion.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It's not at clinics but at PP in Janesville WI not IL. I serve as a sort of counselor, tax preparer, legal consultant etc. etc. for a bunch of clueless waitresses at a local restaurant so not 'just making it up' a la RIOT.

According to PP's Western PA Webpage

Title X program PPWP provides free services for teens ages17 and under. For women and men over age 17, fees for services are based on your household income and may be free. - See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pla....3sIUUoqQ.dpuf




Hey you're preaching to the choir even though I am a man and can't comprehend what pregnant women are going through. I realize it's in society's, the woman who is pregnant and doesn't want to be, the woman not pregnant and not wanting to be and the taxpayer's interest and benefit to terminate and prevent any and all unwanted pregnancies and especially for pregnancies that will likely produce yet more societal dependents.

The money spent terminating a pregnancy equals less than two months of support money likely needed for years. Too bad the lifers seem to have more political clout than the fiscally conservative in twisting the arm of the GOP to remain anti-abortion.

You still haven't provided info that they provide "free" abortions. Don't get me wrong; I'm very glad if they do have the sort of private financing that enables them to help women in trouble, but state and federal monies can't cover the cost, except in some very limited circumstances, so most elective abortions must be paid for by the woman.

Believe me, I'm really, really, really glad we're on the same side in terms of women's reproductive rights. There are a gajillion and one reasons women become accidentally pregnant, and as a society we need to lay off the slut shaming (one of the worst I know personally was a friend whose husband, believing outdated information about the IUD, pushed her to get hers removed and then, when she, surprise, got pregnant, pushed her into an abortion because he didn't want kids. She divorced him eventually, but it took some time for her to get out of the relationship).

And yes, I would also be happy if the GOP would stand up to the Religious Right on this one. I an't holding my breath, though. I may be remembering wrong, but I don't think the current GOP plank includes any sort of exceptions in its stance against abortion. Any at all.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

You still haven't provided info that they provide "free" abortions. Don't get me wrong; I'm very glad if they do have the sort of private financing that enables them to help women in trouble, but state and federal monies can't cover the cost, except in some very limited circumstances, so most elective abortions must be paid for by the woman.

Sorry but they (Janesville WI PP) obviously don't advertise their free abortion services on the web and as I stated before once a pregnant woman decides she's going through with a pregnancy she is 'discharged' from PP and referred to BadgerCare. I remember reading of a woman Dr. from Madison coming down twice a week to provide abortion services out of PP's Janesville clinic (for what patients could afford) after GM closed their plant a few years back but not sure if that continues.

BTW I think the platform of the GOP being fiscally conservative is nothing more than words, a paper tiger. Similar to libs platform of being for the average Joe while sneaking in a million average Jose's.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Sorry but they (Janesville WI PP) obviously don't advertise their free abortion services on the web and as I stated before once a pregnant woman decides she's going through with a pregnancy she is 'discharged' from PP and referred to BadgerCare. I remember reading of a woman Dr. from Madison coming down twice a week to provide abortion services out of PP's Janesville clinic (for what patients could afford) after GM closed their plant a few years back but not sure if that continues.

BTW I think the platform of the GOP being fiscally conservative is nothing more than words, a paper tiger. Similar to libs platform of being for the average Joe while sneaking in a million average Jose's.

Well, understandable they wouldn't advertise, seeing as how it's just begging for crazy people to show up to threaten and harass women and shoot doctors. But BadgerCare clearly doesn't cover abortions, as you said they're sending women there for prenatal care (I assume because it would be cheaper than continuing with PP. PP is pretty good about trying to keep costs as low for their clientele as they can).

I think the immigration situation is a lot more complicated than "keep 'em out" as our economy takes advantage of immigrant labor for a lot of things. Speaking of the GOP, it's a bit ironic, but Ayn Rand, one of the beloveds of the Right, was ardently in favor of an open door policy on immigration, having been an immigrant herself. She didn't get her citizenship until she married an American.

[dellinger63]

If only the mother had shown some individual responsibility 16 years ago, you know considering her and her chauvinist mate's inability to financially provide for even the basics including insurance and chosen to abort the daughter, the mother wouldn't be in jail today.

Or just maybe, at the time, she lived 70 miles from the nearest abortion clinic and rather than experience any 'undue' burdens at the time she chose the burden of a child.

I'm also presuming she has more than one child, since time away from family was among the list of burdens cited, compounding the situation times the number of children these two idiots have conceived.