PA Mom gets prison for getting daughter abortion

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0H10IR20140906

Sigh. Nearest clinic was over 70 miles away. And yet that's not considered "undue burden"? You go, my home state. Boo.

Strange, I travelled over 70 miles each way this Saturday to attend an afternoon at the races and never once considered it an 'undue burden'.

Will her Obamacare fine at the end of the year, you know for not having insurance, be an undue burden? Or is two hours on the road more of a burden than a $200 fine assuming she makes 20K/year.

Come to think of it I have to drive almost 60 miles for a decent pizza. How many times do you need a decent pizza as opposed to an abortion?

I'm finally a victim!!!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Strange, I travelled over 70 miles each way this Saturday to attend an afternoon at the races and never once considered it an 'undue burden'.

Will her Obamacare fine at the end of the year, you know for not having insurance, be an undue burden? Or is two hours on the road more of a burden than a $200 fine assuming she makes 20K/year.

Come to think of it I have to drive almost 60 miles for a decent pizza. How many times do you need a decent pizza as opposed to an abortion?

I'm finally a victim!!!

I was unaware you were a single mom working as an underpaid home health care worker, Dell. Or that you have all kinds of inside info on the condition of her car and the amount of disposable income she has available for gas. Or what her days off are, as most clinics do not operate on the weekends and home health care workers seldom get paid vacation days as they aren't unionized.

This is a classic example of inability to view another's circumstances through any other lens than one's own.

This is the problem with the GOP and abortion- they are happy to restrict it because they are well aware the rich and middle class will always be able to get abortions when desired. Take a three-day trip to another state, or even fly to Europe if they have to. It's, as always, the poor that will suffer for the rich's ideas of morality.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This is a classic example of inability to view another's circumstances through any other lens than one's own..

This woman pled guilty she didn't go to trial. Pretty sure she was advised that proceeding to trial and pleading 'undue burden' for having to drive 70 miles or something similar was a longshot. Especially when she'd undoubtedly have to explain why she had no Obamacare or DPW benefits.

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docket...R-0000026-2014

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I was unaware you were a single mom working as an underpaid home health care worker, Dell. Or that you have all kinds of inside info on the condition of her car and the amount of disposable income she has available for gas. Or what her days off are, as most clinics do not operate on the weekends and home health care workers seldom get paid vacation days as they aren't unionized.

And you're right I don't have any inside info on the car etc. but you don't have any inside info on friends, family, neighbors etc. who could have arranged a ride.

What I do know is had the mother/daughter inquired with PP of Harrisburg they would have read

If you need emergency contraception (morning after pill), you can walk in any time the health center is open. - See more at: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/hea....qBOfeI7D.dpuf

Not such a burden when you really think about it.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

This woman pled guilty she didn't go to trial. Pretty sure she was advised that proceeding to trial and pleading 'undue burden' for having to drive 70 miles or something similar was a longshot. Especially when she'd undoubtedly have to explain why she had no Obamacare or DPW benefits.

https://ujsportal.pacourts.us/docket...R-0000026-2014



And you're right I don't have any inside info on the car etc. but you don't have any inside info on friends, family, neighbors etc. who could have arranged a ride.

What I do know is had the mother/daughter inquired with PP of Harrisburg they would have read

Not such a burden when you really think about it.

A) Again, 72 miles away.
B) You clearly don't know what the morning after pill is, or how it works.

And, by the way, the ACA doesn't cover abortion. No federal monies go towards paying for abortion, despite what you may read on RedState.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

A) Again, 72 miles away.
B) You clearly don't know what the morning after pill is, or how it works.

And, by the way, the ACA doesn't cover abortion. No federal monies go towards paying for abortion, despite what you may read on RedState.

Doesn't Federal money go to PP or is it separated like the Fed's do to SS contributions and in a lockbox?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Doesn't Federal money go to PP or is it separated like the Fed's do to SS contributions and in a lockbox?

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

This will explain all to you. Yes, PP does get grants, but no Federal money can go to programs providing abortion. It's been that way since the 1970s; I don't understand why many GOP pols continue to lie about that and what PP does (see "not intended to be a factual statement," at the link).

[dellinger63]

Lets agree to disagree.

I don't think driving 74 miles to get a free abortion is an undue burden. It's not like the daughter was immaculately inseminated and isn't at fault. Perhaps had the mother thought about the 74 mile drive months earlier she could have driven her daughter down for some free contraception and avoided the mental scarring the daughter will now undoubtedly go through provided she has a conscience. Or had she followed the law and gotten her some Obamacare she would have been able to take her daughter to a local provider. But no, nowadays everyone's a victim.

On another note the City of Chicago still does not have a gun store. Is it an undue burden on law abiding citizens to force them to travel outside the city? Or is a free abortion more of a right than the right to bear arms even though one doesn't get the gun for free?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I was unaware you were a single mom working as an underpaid home health care worker, Dell. Or that you have all kinds of inside info on the condition of her car and the amount of disposable income she has available for gas. Or what her days off are, as most clinics do not operate on the weekends and home health care workers seldom get paid vacation days as they aren't unionized.

This is a classic example of inability to view another's circumstances through any other lens than one's own.

This is the problem with the GOP and abortion- they are happy to restrict it because they are well aware the rich and middle class will always be able to get abortions when desired. Take a three-day trip to another state, or even fly to Europe if they have to. It's, as always, the poor that will suffer for the rich's ideas of morality.

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

I read this piece in the wake of Dr. Tiller's assassination. It is equally parts infuriating and powerful. Thanks for posting the link; it's a very good one to get out there.

ETA: I reread the article again. Here's my favorite anecdote from it:

"In 1973, after Roe v. Wade, abortion became legal but had to be performed in a hospital. That of course was changed later. For the first 'legal abortion day' I had scheduled five procedures. While scrubbing between cases, I was accosted by the Chief of the OB/Gyn service. He asked me, 'How many children are you going to kill today?' My response, out of anger, was a familiar vulgar retort. About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

About three months later, this born-again Christian called me to explain that he was against abortion but his daughter was only a junior in high school and was too young to have a baby and he was also afraid that if she did have a baby she would not want to put it up for adoption. I told him he did not need to explain the situation to me. 'All I need to know', I said, 'is that SHE wants an abortion.' Two years later I performed a second abortion on her during her college break. She thanked me and pleaded, 'Please don't tell my dad, he is still anti-abortion.'" (Physician, Washington State)

Two abortions and she's a hero....

BTW like a burp and or a fart, best thing is to keep it to yourself!