claimers go 108. at gulf race 5 today

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Just a fluke I guess. If pavement is safe, then that is what we should race on Chuck. In the meantime, I've wasted far too much of my evening on this conversation.

"Someone with Churchill Downs management should have a serious sit-down with track superintendent Butch Lehr. I'll take Lehr at his word that nothing was done to purposely speed up the track for Derby Day, but the rapid times of the races were, in a word, ridiculous."

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2uCdYO9O1

Let's recap exactly what you said.
"Still envision some of the breakdowns from Derby Day '01 before the 2nd fastest Derby clocking in history. Good work boys."

You apparently were having visions.

You then backtracked into a post about all the other breakdowns that week. Except there was only one horse pulled up all week and that was on the Tuesday card.

Now you are quoting Ray Paulick who I'm sure was far more worried about the sanctity of tracks records than breakdowns since the rash of breakdowns didnt actually happen.

You make the statement that the track has never been that fast again yet just 2 years ago on Derby Week track records at commonly run distances were set 7f and 1 1/16 on Oaks and Derby day.

Just pointing out the facts. Sorry for wasting everyone's time

[randallscott35]

I get it Chuck. Butch is in your fantasy football league. He should've been fired, but he wasn't which means the higher ups wanted it which is even worse...Sorry the breakdown numbers were wrong. You played a strong hand tonight. I look forward to PA slot money finding its way to the classroom after this exchange.

[randallscott35]

Zero question there were other breakdowns that week in the morning by the way, one by a two year old either Sat or Fri....but I'm old and must not remember anymore.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I get it Chuck. Butch is in your fantasy football league. He should've been fired, but he wasn't which means the higher ups wanted it which is even worse...Sorry the breakdown numbers were wrong. You played a strong hand tonight. I look forward to PA slot money finding its way to the classroom after this exchange.

All class

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Zero question there were other breakdowns that week in the morning by the way, one by a two year old either Sat or Fri....but I'm old and must not remember anymore.

And this would prove that the track was unsafe and caused Point Given to breakdown 4 months later?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I get it Chuck. Butch is in your fantasy football league. He should've been fired, but he wasn't which means the higher ups wanted it which is even worse...Sorry the breakdown numbers were wrong. You played a strong hand tonight. I look forward to PA slot money finding its way to the classroom after this exchange.

Pretty classless thing to say especially since we have several folks on the board who run horses at Philly. Kind of like saying I wish your job goes overseas next week. Wow.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And this would prove that the track was unsafe and caused Point Given to breakdown 4 months later?

When did Point Given break down? I believe he is still the only horse to win four straight $1,000,000 Grade 1's.
Didnt he come up with some minor injury, early fall and get retired? Someone educate me!!

[randallscott35]

This isn't a sewing circle. When you defend the indefensible, you get what you get....Subsidies aren't helpful to racing. If in 20 years there are 5 tracks total in the US, then so be it. It needs to stand on its own 2 feet. No sacred cows in my book.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by cakes44

And is that another error in their joke timing system, or did fillies seriously go 20.28 for the 1st quarter in the turf sprint today?

When you give turf sprinters a run up of abt 170 feet, those first quarters get ridiculous. Check Tampa when rail is way out and they go 5f too. Blazing.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Let's recap exactly what you said.
"Still envision some of the breakdowns from Derby Day '01 before the 2nd fastest Derby clocking in history. Good work boys."

You apparently were having visions.

You then backtracked into a post about all the other breakdowns that week. Except there was only one horse pulled up all week and that was on the Tuesday card.

Now you are quoting Ray Paulick who I'm sure was far more worried about the sanctity of tracks records than breakdowns since the rash of breakdowns didnt actually happen.

You make the statement that the track has never been that fast again yet just 2 years ago on Derby Week track records at commonly run distances were set 7f and 1 1/16 on Oaks and Derby day.

Just pointing out the facts. Sorry for wasting everyone's time

--Dunbar

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I get it Chuck. Butch is in your fantasy football league. He should've been fired, but he wasn't which means the higher ups wanted it which is even worse...Sorry the breakdown numbers were wrong. You played a strong hand tonight. I look forward to PA slot money finding its way to the classroom after this exchange.

Stay classy randall

[jms62]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

This isn't a sewing circle. When you defend the indefensible, you get what you get....Subsidies aren't helpful to racing. If in 20 years there are 5 tracks total in the US, then so be it. It needs to stand on its own 2 feet. No sacred cows in my book.

http://articles.philly.com/2003-04-1...red-racetracks

"Subsidies" ? Since the racetracks own the rights to run the slots and entered into a contract with a gaming company to run that side of the business for a percentage of the rake it is a business relationship. Fact is that the State of PA is acting like an organized crime syndicate in trying to usurp that.

[randallscott35]

Yes I've read all the articles....If you need slots to have racing, you don't need racing. Where the money goes is of little consequence to me.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

It was 109 and it was a 50k allowance,but who cares about facts around here?

to be more exact it was a 25k n2x o/c
and the time was 108.98

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

to be more exact it was a 25k n2x o/c
and the time was 108.98

Allowance optional isnt a claiming race. The chalk had never run in any claiming race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes I've read all the articles....If you need slots to have racing, you don't need racing. Where the money goes is of little consequence to me.

For what its worth, I agree with a lot of what your saying in this thread.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

For what its worth, I agree with a lot of what your saying in this thread.

This is my final answer

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is my final answer

stay classy Chuck.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

stay classy Chuck.

I rest my case

[NTamm1215]

This belongs in the Hall of Fame of terrible threads on this message board. The whole thread is based on an inaccuracy, which incited inaccurate statements about things that happened 13 years ago, which led to insults and a banning. I'm inclined to close it and let it live on unfettered by additional remarks.