claimers go 108. at gulf race 5 today

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah Cecil Borel had one pull up on Tuesday.

Wed, Thursday, and Friday had none.

In the morning too? That's not what I remember....but we are talking 15 years ago. Maybe you have CDI stock. God bless if you want to defend the indefensible.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

In the morning too? That's not what I remember....but we are talking 15 years ago. Maybe you have CDI stock. God bless if you want to defend the indefensible.

I'm not defending anything. Just pointing out the inaccuracies in your story.

Let's just say that I'm sure that my experience training over the CD surface for a number of years including those in question give me a pretty comfortable grasp on the topic.

Churchill's track surface was damn good to train and race over.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm not defending anything. Just pointing out the inaccuracies in your story.

Let's just say that I'm sure that my experience training over the CD surface for a number of years including those in question give me a pretty comfortable grasp on the topic.

Churchill's track surface was damn good to train and race over.

Right. How many track records that Saturday. 3, 4? More. Weren't like 3 yr old fillies setting track records...I wasn't questioning the surface the rest of your training career, that isn't the point. I'm glad they have never done it again, which shows they sure as hell did it that week.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Right. How many track records that Saturday. 3, 4? More. Weren't like 3 yr old fillies setting track records...I wasn't questioning the surface the rest of your training career, that isn't the point. I'm glad they have never done it again, which shows they sure as hell did it that week.

Fast doesnt mean unsafe. Slow doesnt mean safe.

The point is that you made a statement that the track being extremely fast that day was detrimental to the horses health that ran over it that day which just isnt true.

I'd take that days track surface over what Monmouth had this past Haskell day anytime.

[randallscott35]

Just a fluke I guess. If pavement is safe, then that is what we should race on Chuck. In the meantime, I've wasted far too much of my evening on this conversation.

"Someone with Churchill Downs management should have a serious sit-down with track superintendent Butch Lehr. I'll take Lehr at his word that nothing was done to purposely speed up the track for Derby Day, but the rapid times of the races were, in a word, ridiculous."

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2uCdYO9O1

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Just a fluke I guess. If pavement is safe, then that is what we should race on Chuck. In the meantime, I've wasted far too much of my evening on this conversation.

"Someone with Churchill Downs management should have a serious sit-down with track superintendent Butch Lehr. I'll take Lehr at his word that nothing was done to purposely speed up the track for Derby Day, but the rapid times of the races were, in a word, ridiculous."

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2uCdYO9O1

Let's recap exactly what you said.
"Still envision some of the breakdowns from Derby Day '01 before the 2nd fastest Derby clocking in history. Good work boys."

You apparently were having visions.

You then backtracked into a post about all the other breakdowns that week. Except there was only one horse pulled up all week and that was on the Tuesday card.

Now you are quoting Ray Paulick who I'm sure was far more worried about the sanctity of tracks records than breakdowns since the rash of breakdowns didnt actually happen.

You make the statement that the track has never been that fast again yet just 2 years ago on Derby Week track records at commonly run distances were set 7f and 1 1/16 on Oaks and Derby day.

Just pointing out the facts. Sorry for wasting everyone's time

[randallscott35]

I get it Chuck. Butch is in your fantasy football league. He should've been fired, but he wasn't which means the higher ups wanted it which is even worse...Sorry the breakdown numbers were wrong. You played a strong hand tonight. I look forward to PA slot money finding its way to the classroom after this exchange.

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Let's recap exactly what you said.
"Still envision some of the breakdowns from Derby Day '01 before the 2nd fastest Derby clocking in history. Good work boys."

You apparently were having visions.

You then backtracked into a post about all the other breakdowns that week. Except there was only one horse pulled up all week and that was on the Tuesday card.

Now you are quoting Ray Paulick who I'm sure was far more worried about the sanctity of tracks records than breakdowns since the rash of breakdowns didnt actually happen.

You make the statement that the track has never been that fast again yet just 2 years ago on Derby Week track records at commonly run distances were set 7f and 1 1/16 on Oaks and Derby day.

Just pointing out the facts. Sorry for wasting everyone's time

--Dunbar