2013-2014 NBA Season

RockHardTen1985 · #1 01-06-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I'm saying that Melo has played with pseudo-good PG's like Andre Miller and Ray Felton who aren't in the same class as Paul. Even clueless people (well most) can see that pairing a scorer like Anthony with a PG like Paul will lead to Anthony being a more efficient offensive player which is despite King Glorious' assertion a rare thing.
Melo's defense surely is no worse than Griffin's.
Anthony doesn't address the defensive issues that LA has but he doesn't make them worse in that area. Actually allowing him to guard more traditional post players will benefit him as he is better doing that than chasing 3's on the perimeter.

This idea that Carmelo Anthony is a team killer or cant win in the NBA is nonsense. The guy has 2 Olympic gold medals and a NCAA ring. He has never played on a team with a chance. What has always pissed me off about him is that he doesn't seem to understand how teams are built and his selfishness hamstrung the Knicks because they traded all their assets for him rather than him simply playing out the string and taking a little less money as a FA. Putting him on this team with Rivers as coach and Paul running things would be the best possible destination for him to max out his ability outside of Miami.

2 golds?? Omg chuck. The best players in the world were on those teams.

King Glorious · #2 01-06-2014, 10:47 AM

I guess Christian Laettner should be upgraded becaue he won gold on the original Dream Team. Anthony is a great player. Never said he's wasn't. But a big part of his scoring so much is his number of shots. I believe there are plenty of guys that could score as much given the same free reign to shoot. I do like that he's upped his rebounding this year, because it shows growth. And I understand that he won a title in college so he can win. I'm not one of those that says he will never win in the NBA. But I don't think he brings the same uniqueness as a Griffin does to a team. He'll get you a few more points but at a big cost. He'll disrupt the offensive flow, he'll take shots away from guys, he won't play defense, and he'll need to be the star. He goes against all that Doc Rivers has been preaching to them. He is also like James and Bryant in the sense that he does his best work with the ball, dribbling and seeking areas to attack and that takes the ball out of your best player's hand too much. In addition to all that, Griffin is younger, harder to replace, is locked up under contract, and doesn't have the personality that clashes with Paul. Losing him for Anthony significantly weakens them.

Cannon Shell · #3 01-06-2014, 12:52 PM

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I guess Christian Laettner should be upgraded becaue he won gold on the original Dream Team. Anthony is a great player. Never said he's wasn't. But a big part of his scoring so much is his number of shots. I believe there are plenty of guys that could score as much given the same free reign to shoot. I do like that he's upped his rebounding this year, because it shows growth. And I understand that he won a title in college so he can win. I'm not one of those that says he will never win in the NBA. But I don't think he brings the same uniqueness as a Griffin does to a team. He'll get you a few more points but at a big cost. He'll disrupt the offensive flow, he'll take shots away from guys, he won't play defense, and he'll need to be the star. He goes against all that Doc Rivers has been preaching to them. He is also like James and Bryant in the sense that he does his best work with the ball, dribbling and seeking areas to attack ad that takes the ball out of your best player's hand too much. In addition to all that, Griffin is younger, harder to replace, is locked up under contract, and doesn't have the personality that clashes with Paul. Losing him for Anthony significantly weakens them.

Oh ok. I'm sure there are a ton of guys that could score like Carmelo Anthony. they all just choose not to...

You obviously rarely watch Anthony play because if you did you'd realize what you said was basically PG1985 First take talking points nonsense. He wont "disrupt" the offensive flow with Paul on the team. Why is this not apparent? He takes 4 shots a game more than Griffin but plays more minutes on a team with virtually no other good offensive options. Why act like he is going to come in and shoot the ball 30 times? It just isnt true. He does play defense but is exposed guarding 3's. He is a pretty good post defender. He already is a star but coming to LA he would surely see that Paul runs the show. He played very well at the Olympics coming off the bench. Anthony can be extremely effective in an offense with a strong PG and perimeter shooting which is something that he has never had the luxury of having.

Griffin is a really good player but outside of athleticism has no elite skill. His offense is still raw, he is a good rebounder but not great. His defense is ordinary at best. He is a weak FT shooter. He needs playmakes to play off of which the Knicks do not have. This essentially is a bad short term trade for NY but they need to blow the current team up and start over again and griffin would be a good piece. The Clippers are a lot more dangerous with Carmelo than Griffin in 2014.

I know who Chris Paul would rather have...

MISTERGEE · #4 01-06-2014, 04:35 PM

one interesting stat they gave out on the game they just lost the other night was that carmelo is 1 for his last 18 on possible game winning shots

Cannon Shell · #5 01-07-2014, 01:32 AM

Bulls pull off great trade grabbing cap space, a number 1 pick and 2 second rounders for 1/2 season of Deng in a season where they clearly arent contenders.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 01-07-2014, 03:57 AM

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Bulls pull off great trade grabbing cap space, a number 1 pick and 2 second rounders for 1/2 season of Deng in a season where they clearly arent contenders.

Giving up the picks was insane and it pretty much is now a done deal that Lebron wont even consider going back there.
They can contend to be the 3rd best team in the East, for whatever thats worth.

cmorioles · #7 01-07-2014, 11:45 AM

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one interesting stat they gave out on the game they just lost the other night was that carmelo is 1 for his last 18 on possible game winning shots

The percentage on players hitting those shots, even superstars, is not nearly as high as most people believe. You should check out Chauncy "Big Shot" Billups some time. His percentage was awful. People remember the makes, they forget the misses.

RockHardTen1985 · #8 01-07-2014, 07:13 PM

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The percentage on players hitting those shots, even superstars, is not nearly as high as most people believe. You should check out Chauncy "Big Shot" Billups some time. His percentage was awful. People remember the makes, they forget the misses.

Convenient. But when it was LeBron it was a huge deal?

cmorioles · #9 01-08-2014, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Convenient. But when it was LeBron it was a huge deal?

Everything with Lebron is a big deal in the media.

Duvalier · #10 01-07-2014, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

The percentage on players hitting those shots, even superstars, is not nearly as high as most people believe. You should check out Chauncy "Big Shot" Billups some time. His percentage was awful. People remember the makes, they forget the misses.

You need these to hit those kind of shots

Cannon Shell · #11 01-06-2014, 12:33 PM

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2 golds?? Omg chuck. The best players in the world were on those teams.

There are essentially 3 titles that basketball players in this country can win and he has won 2 of them.

RockHardTen1985 · #12 01-07-2014, 04:05 AM

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There are essentially 3 titles that basketball players in this country can win and he has won 2 of them.

I know youre only half serious. Any player would trade 4 NCAA Championships for 1 NBA title. Melo was barley the best player on that Cuse team.
Warrick was a beast and Mcnamera made a ton of big shots and was 100% the leader of the team.
Edelin was OK and so was my dude Craig Forth.
Warrick averaged 15 and 9 BTW.

Cannon Shell · #13 01-07-2014, 09:25 AM

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I know youre only half serious. Any player would trade 4 NCAA Championships for 1 NBA title. Melo was barley the best player on that Cuse team.
Warrick was a beast and Mcnamera made a ton of big shots and was 100% the leader of the team.
Edelin was OK and so was my dude Craig Forth.
Warrick averaged 15 and 9 BTW.

Do you drink?

RockHardTen1985 · #14 01-07-2014, 07:14 PM

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Do you drink?

16 and 9 is a non factor?

knickslions2 · #15 01-13-2014, 04:29 PM

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I know youre only half serious. Any player would trade 4 NCAA Championships for 1 NBA title. Melo was barley the best player on that Cuse team.
Warrick was a beast and Mcnamera made a ton of big shots and was 100% the leader of the team.
Edelin was OK and so was my dude Craig Forth.
Warrick averaged 15 and 9 BTW.

Thanks for helping me Knicks get back on track!!

Carmelo Anthony has been named the Eastern Conference Player of the Week for games played between Jan. 6 to Jan. 12, the NBA announced Monday.

Anthony led the New York Knicks to a 3-0 record last week. He ranked second in the conference in scoring (27.0 ppg) and steals (2.33 spg), and third in minutes (39.2 mpg).

The highlight of Anthony's week came Thursday, when he connected on 12 of 24 field goal attempts en route to 29 points in a win over the Miami Heat. He added eight rebounds and five assists in the Knicks' 102-92 upset win.

RockHardTen1985 · #16 01-13-2014, 07:08 PM

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Thanks for helping me Knicks get back on track!!

Carmelo Anthony has been named the Eastern Conference Player of the Week for games played between Jan. 6 to Jan. 12, the NBA announced Monday.

Anthony led the New York Knicks to a 3-0 record last week. He ranked second in the conference in scoring (27.0 ppg) and steals (2.33 spg), and third in minutes (39.2 mpg).

The highlight of Anthony's week came Thursday, when he connected on 12 of 24 field goal attempts en route to 29 points in a win over the Miami Heat. He added eight rebounds and five assists in the Knicks' 102-92 upset win.

lol And???
This is what he does. He will never win anything in this league. He is a selfish scorer. Nothing wrong with that I guess. He is another Barkley or Ewing, well a poor mans Barkley or Ewing.

Cannon Shell · #17 01-14-2014, 06:57 AM

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lol And???
This is what he does. He will never win anything in this league. He is a selfish scorer. Nothing wrong with that I guess. He is another Barkley or Ewing, well a poor mans Barkley or Ewing.

1st ballot hall of famer?

29-16-4 last night.

RockHardTen1985 · #18 01-14-2014, 07:15 AM

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1st ballot hall of famer?

29-16-4 last night.

He might end up being that, like I said a poor mans. I prefer winners. And if guys I like, example being Harden never win anything Ill say the same thing about him. I dont get that kill a team, selfish vibe from Big Game James though.
He will never win anything though. I dont care if he gets hooked w/ Paul, Love, Rondo. His only hope would be somehow playing w/ Lebron. And Lebron would never EVER PLAY W/ MELO.