welfare vs wages

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

rudeboy, i hope you read over that whole paper, and take note of the majority of people that would be affected (not teens) etc.

This simply documents the rise in the # of baby boomers entering the work force from 1968 to present day. Yes, supply and demand dictates pricing/wages. When low/no skilled jobs are in abundance, the wages lower.

When there are too many unskilled laborers than there are unskilled jobs, the wages are lower.

They should be. That's how it's supposed to work.

How about addressing the problem, rather than blaming employers for it?

It is not an employer's responsibility to float the economy by overcharging their customers for products and services in order to make sure someone working the fryer at Mcdonalds in Queens can afford to live in an apartment.

This has been going on for almost 50 years, yet it has just been in recent times (the last 10 years or so) that there has been this clamoring of entitlement.

Somehow people who make irresponsible choices and who then provide little to no value to the society they occupy need to be compensated on the same level as those that take responsibility for themselves.

I'll say it again - NOBODY worked these jobs expecting to raise a family or even take care of themselves off the wages. As a kid, I worked countless minimum wage jobs - KFC to Golden Corral to stock boy in a grocery to lot attendant on car lots. EVERYBODY, with the exception of the managers, were there to make a few bucks - never in a million years expecting that the wages would sustain us - it's laughable. They were part time jobs, after school and on the weekends. the college students worked their class schedule and filled in when they didn't have class or needed to study. The Retirees typically worked the day shifts when the rest of us were in school.

Now, you have a generation of people, that have decided that this is all they want to do with themselves, and the onus is now on the employers to compensate them at an absurd rate in order for them to do so.

Let's try this - instead of demanding that employers overpay for your unskilled services, how about get an education, learn a trade, serve in the military to learn relateable civilian job skills and actually improve your life instead of forcing someone to give you a hand out?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This simply documents the rise in the # of baby boomers entering the work force from 1968 to present day. Yes, supply and demand dictates pricing/wages. When low/no skilled jobs are in abundance, the wages lower.

When there are too many unskilled laborers than there are unskilled jobs, the wages are lower.

They should be. That's how it's supposed to work.

How about addressing the problem, rather than blaming employers for it?

It is not an employer's responsibility to float the economy by overcharging their customers for products and services in order to make sure someone working the fryer at Mcdonalds in Queens can afford to live in an apartment.

This has been going on for almost 50 years, yet it has just been in recent times (the last 10 years or so) that there has been this clamoring of entitlement.

Somehow people who make irresponsible choices and who then provide little to no value to the society they occupy need to be compensated on the same level as those that take responsibility for themselves.

I'll say it again - NOBODY worked these jobs expecting to raise a family or even take care of themselves off the wages. As a kid, I worked countless minimum wage jobs - KFC to Golden Corral to stock boy in a grocery to lot attendant on car lots. EVERYBODY, with the exception of the managers, were there to make a few bucks - never in a million years expecting that the wages would sustain us - it's laughable. They were part time jobs, after school and on the weekends. the college students worked their class schedule and filled in when they didn't have class or needed to study. The Retirees typically worked the day shifts when the rest of us were in school.

Now, you have a generation of people, that have decided that this is all they want to do with themselves, and the onus is now on the employers to compensate them at an absurd rate in order for them to do so.

Let's try this - instead of demanding that employers overpay for your unskilled services, how about get an education, learn a trade, serve in the military to learn relateable civilian job skills and actually improve your life instead of forcing someone to give you a hand out?

there's no way you read that study. else you'd know that many of the people working in lower wage jobs are educated, are skilled, are raising families, and aren't the teenie boppers you take them to be.
you'd also know that all wages, not just minimum wages are less than they should be.
i don't find 10 an hour to be absurd at all. we demand people work, they get jobs that pay squat, and then they still get federal aid because their corporations don't pay more than is required. which means we support them. you decry people needing support, and then you defend their low pay.
my husband works at the paper mill. lots of production hands there who make good money, and are no more educated or skilled than the guy working the fryer at mcdonalds. but they make good money. they watch toilet paper go by. the machine does all the work. i doubt there's some sort of magic going on that says if you watch toilet paper get made, your company can afford to pay you almost triple minimum wage, but if you make a burger, they can't afford to pay you...while making billions upon billions in profit, while us taxpayers take up the slack between a wage just above poverty and one below.

and little to no value? if people didn't work at mcd's and all these other places-tell me, who would cook millions of peoples meals every day?

the study discusses at length the positive impacts a min. wage hike would have on the economy.

[Danzig]

let's put this another way.

mcdonalds makes billions in profits.

i don't. i don't even make millions, not even tens of thousands in profit.

mcdonalds shouldn't have to pay a living wage.

i should be happy subsidizing their employees by paying taxes that fund food stamps, housing assistance, medicaid, etc?

really?

i vehemently disagree.

but that is the current system. people defend billionaires and their pay scales.
i guess this is the same mindset that says let's pay farmers not to grow crops, and then wonder how to feed the hungry.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

let's put this another way.

mcdonalds makes billions in profits.

i don't. i don't even make millions, not even tens of thousands in profit.

mcdonalds shouldn't have to pay a living wage.

i should be happy subsidizing their employees by paying taxes that fund food stamps, housing assistance, medicaid, etc?

really?

i vehemently disagree.

but that is the current system. people defend billionaires and their pay scales.
i guess this is the same mindset that says let's pay farmers not to grow crops, and then wonder how to feed the hungry.

McDonalds paid $1.47 billion in taxes (w/o even considering ancillary taxes) on profits of $5.46 billion, making an effective rate of 27%.

Obama/the government spent $2 billion destroying cars over a two month period. A billion a year to Pakistan, another couple billion to Egypt, and a unknown amount to Al Qaida linked Syrian rebels and you're mad at Mickey D's?

Ever hear of the Ronald McDonald house(s)?

BTW How much are we still out on the GM deal?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

McDonalds paid $1.47 billion in taxes (w/o even considering ancillary taxes) on profits of $5.46 billion, making an effective rate of 27%.

Obama/the government spent $2 billion destroying cars over a two month period. A billion a year to Pakistan, another couple billion to Egypt, and a unknown amount to Al Qaida linked Syrian rebels and you're mad at Mickey D's?

Ever hear of the Ronald McDonald house(s)?

BTW How much are we still out on the GM deal?

Aunt Sally

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Aunt Sally

Squirrel !!!!

[dellinger63]

Going to do McDonald's for lunch today for a first hand look as honestly other than a drive-thru coffee once every two months (love my Dunkin coffee) I don't visit.

Anxious to order from a person with some college rather than just some high school.