welfare vs wages

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

McDonalds paid $1.47 billion in taxes (w/o even considering ancillary taxes) on profits of $5.46 billion, making an effective rate of 27%.

Obama/the government spent $2 billion destroying cars over a two month period. A billion a year to Pakistan, another couple billion to Egypt, and a unknown amount to Al Qaida linked Syrian rebels and you're mad at Mickey D's?

Ever hear of the Ronald McDonald house(s)?

BTW How much are we still out on the GM deal?

Aunt Sally

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Aunt Sally

Squirrel !!!!

[dellinger63]

Going to do McDonald's for lunch today for a first hand look as honestly other than a drive-thru coffee once every two months (love my Dunkin coffee) I don't visit.

Anxious to order from a person with some college rather than just some high school.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Going to do McDonald's for lunch today for a first hand look as honestly other than a drive-thru coffee once every two months (love my Dunkin coffee) I don't visit.

Anxious to order from a person with some college rather than just some high school.

Dunkin coffee tastes like chemicals

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by jms62

Dunkin coffee tastes like chemicals

Well maybe not that bad..but to my old taster Mc's is still best coffee and Hardee's is close since they went to 100% columbian..
Been to starbucks 2 or 3 times in my life. don't like exotics they serve or their regular...and 50c mcs vs 3 bucks starbucks..nolo contesto IMVHO..

[dellinger63]

The McDonalds I visited is in Southern WI in what would be considered a rural/suburban area. As I turned in I saw a large Help Wanted, Day and Night Shifts starting at $10.50--$12.50/hr. sign. so not sure this store is applicable to the argument.

There were 13 employees working, all but one female, (lone male was on the fryer, Hispanic about 40 yrs. old) Four of the females including the manager were white and all but the manager were older than 70. The remaining 8 females were all Hispanic six appearing under 21, one about 25 and the last in her mid 30’s.

Service was impeccable although you now order a coke and get a cup to fill yourself.

The quarter pounder seemed far from a deal at $3.79 but a meal was offered (fries and drink) for $5.40. Figuring the ¼ lb’er would do enough pollution to my heart that was the choice. Although tasty it was waaaay! over salted and I think my heart light blinked a few times as I swallowed it down. I won’t be back anytime soon as their product is not for me.

All the employees seemed clean except the manager who appeared she may be on hour 36. All of the white workers were not only overfed, but grossly overfed. The last thing they need in life at this time is more food!

As for college I suspect some of the young girls might be attending some sort of school and the sloppily kept manager likely was in trucking school at one time or another. Nonetheless the lack of education certainly wasn’t a factor in completing their jobs.

Overall everyone seemed happy which may again reflect the higher than minimum wage they are receiving.

On a side note: ground sirloin here is $4.49 lb. and bakery fresh buns at $2.79/dozen (.23 cents/roll). So for $1.40 one can have a quarter pounder, (minus condiments) of supreme quality saving $2.39 per burger over McD's.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Well maybe not that bad..but to my old taster Mc's is still best coffee and Hardee's is close since they went to 100% columbian..
Been to starbucks 2 or 3 times in my life. don't like exotics they serve or their regular...and 50c mcs vs 3 bucks starbucks..nolo contesto IMVHO..

we usually just make our own, once you get used to community coffee everything else tastes like swill.

when we go out of town, we take our coffee with us!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we usually just make our own, once you get used to community coffee everything else tastes like swill.

when we go out of town, we take our coffee with us!

I love my coffee and have been roasting my own since Feb. I save a boatload of money. Used to like a Paupa New Guinea and paid 18 bucks for 14 ounces. I get the same Green beans for about 6 bucks a pound. Saving about 1500 a year and can get some really good coffee's (Kona, Blue Mountain)

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

we usually just make our own, once you get used to community coffee everything else tastes like swill.

when we go out of town, we take our coffee with us!

I like to have breakfast once or twice a week at Hardees or Mcs..Hardees breakfast biscuits are the best anywhere..i like mcs sausage gravy over biscuits and 2 cups of coffee..Most days at home coffee (100%Columbian- beans picked by Juan Valdez)in a.m. and half/caff in eve..think i started drinking coffee before 1st grade..bout 20 years or so ago while driving to PA had Paul Harvey on the radio and he was saying 'you ever wonder why restaurant coffee tastes so good'..it's because they use Bunn coffee makers.
I stopped at the next mall and bought one...lasted 10 years and got another..that one went down last year and last Christmas my son got us a fancy Mr Coffee..not bad but no Bunn...and that's the rest of the story

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Going to do McDonald's for lunch today for a first hand look as honestly other than a drive-thru coffee once every two months (love my Dunkin coffee) I don't visit.

Anxious to order from a person with some college rather than just some high school.

If that McDonald's is in Florida, you will have about a 99% chance of being served by a HS drop out with a neck tattoo, than a college grad that "hasn't found their niche" yet.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

If that McDonald's is in Florida, you will have about a 99% chance of being served by a HS drop out with a neck tattoo, than a college grad that "hasn't found their niche" yet.

"Niche" being VP at a Fortune 500 company

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

If that McDonald's is in Florida, you will have about a 99% chance of being served by a HS drop out with a neck tattoo, than a college grad that "hasn't found their niche" yet.

i'd love to see a citation on that 99% chance.

■Over 88 percent of workers who would benefit are at least 20 years old.
■About 44 percent of affected workers have at least some college education.


or you can ignore the facts and stick with your preconceived notions of who works in fast food.


Minimum-wage workers are older and, as discussed later, have greater family responsibilities than commonly portrayed. The facts do not support the perception of minimum-wage workers as primarily teenagers working for spending money (though even if true, it would not justify paying teens subpoverty wages).

the corresponding chart showed that 11.7% of workers who would be affected by a min. wage increase are under age 20. that means 88.3% aren't teens.



Data on educational attainment of those who would be affected by a minimum-wage increase further dispel the misperception of minimum-wage workers as high school students. In fact, nationally just 21.3 percent of those who would be affected have less than a high school degree, while fully 43.8 percent have some college education, an associate degree, or a bachelor’s degree or higher.

[Danzig]

The immediate benefits of a minimum-wage increase are in the boosted earnings of the lowest-paid workers, but its positive effects would far exceed this extra income. Recent research reveals that, despite skeptics’ claims, raising the minimum wage does not cause job loss.6 In fact, throughout the nation, a minimum-wage increase under current labor market conditions would create jobs. Like unemployment insurance benefits or tax breaks for low- and middle-income workers, raising the minimum wage puts more money in the pockets of working families when they need it most, thereby augmenting their spending power. Economists generally recognize that low-wage workers are more likely than any other income group to spend any extra earnings immediately on previously unaffordable basic needs or services.

Increasing the federal minimum wage to $10.10 by July 1, 2015, would give an additional $51.5 billion over the phase-in period to directly and indirectly affected workers,7 who would, in turn, spend those extra earnings. Indirectly affected workers—those earning close to, but still above, the proposed new minimum wage—would likely receive a boost in earnings due to the “spillover” effect (Shierholz 2009), giving them more to spend on necessities.

This projected rise in consumer spending is critical to any recovery, especially when weak consumer demand is one of the most significant factors holding back new hiring (Izzo 2011).8 Though the stimulus from a minimum-wage increase is smaller than the boost created by, for example, unemployment insurance benefits, it has the crucial advantage of not imposing costs on the public sector.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i'd love to see a citation on that 99% chance.




or you can ignore the facts and stick with your preconceived notions of who works in fast food.


Minimum-wage workers are older and, as discussed later, have greater family responsibilities than commonly portrayed. The facts do not support the perception of minimum-wage workers as primarily teenagers working for spending money (though even if true, it would not justify paying teens subpoverty wages).

the corresponding chart showed that 11.7% of workers who would be affected by a min. wage increase are under age 20. that means 88.3% aren't teens.



Data on educational attainment of those who would be affected by a minimum-wage increase further dispel the misperception of minimum-wage workers as high school students. In fact, nationally just 21.3 percent of those who would be affected have less than a high school degree, while fully 43.8 percent have some college education, an associate degree, or a bachelor’s degree or higher.

I'd like to see the citation that shows 43.8% of the store workers at MacDonalds have not only graduated HS, but managed to earn a B.S. or at least attended undergraduate schooling.

Please feel free to revisit my previous posts. I compared minimum wage jobs of 30 years ago to the current climate. Of course there are more adults working these jobs but that directly correlates to the number of adults that chose to forgo their education. Only 3/4ths of kids in high school graduate. The number of those that go on to higher education, compared to other developed nations, is staggeringly low.

That is not McDonald's nor Walmart's nor anyone else who employs minimum wage worker's fault. They should not be required to increase the prices of their goods and services to inflate the compensation of these folks that made these choices.

When I go to McDonalds, I see a couple of shift managers (who most likely graduated HS and possibly attended Community College), a bunch of kids, and an equal amount of 20 somethings that don't look like they even know what day it is, but have managed to earn enough cash to tattoo every inch of their bodies. Hey, your world, who am i to judge?

Sorry, but that is the impression that is left.

Walmart is not much different. Though more uneducated middle aged people than teenagers appear to work there. I see people who were probably day laborers during the construction boom stocking shelves, low level office workers during the mortgage boom manning the cash registers, etc. - now working these jobs. They, by and large, have no formal education and obviously did not excel when they did have a menial office job nor impress a construction foreman to be brought back when work began to slowly trickle back in. Which is fine. this is their fit, and they are most likely excelling at it. But that is what it is - it is not a 10.00 an hour job. and employers needn't be held hostage with a proverbial gun to their head to give that to them.

When the market dictates that wages increase, then you will see it. When Walmart can't run a store because they are losing employees to a competitor due to wages, they will increase wages. How it works.

Unfortunately you have a generation of unskilled labor at the ready, so i doubt it happens anytime soon.

[Danzig]

again, rude, would you rather a multi billion dollar corporation pay a living wage, like they used to, or would you prefer we continue to subsidize these workers with rent assistance, housing allowances, food stamps, etc? gun to it's head. that's hilarious.

as for impressions...i'll take cold, hard facts from people who study this over impressions, bias, feelings and beliefs any day.

as for the market-i doubt the market has ever dictated. these companies for the most part will try to get away with everything they possibly can.

i think it's a disgrace, for example, that the base wage for a tipped employee hasn't been changed since it was set in 1991. 22 years ago.
you telling me the market bears out keeping that amount?

you can't go by what you think, and one should never judge a book by its cover. i'd imagine people i deal with think i have a college degree plus. i don't.


corporations have seen taxes lowered, subsidies granted, etc, etc. in turn, with all the breaks they've gotten from the pols they pay off, they in turn should pay a correct wage, based on years of indicators and facts.
but yeah, let mcdonalds and the like keep making billions of dollars while the middle class keeps supporting everyone. that's fair.