What did we learn...Pre BC?

Kasept · #1 09-30-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

When you are bored sometime take a look through some Saturday PPs around the country. It obviously isn't always the case, but you'll see many horses begin to tail off following an unexpected poor break (meaning horses that usually break well). Of course it helps to watch and see if another horse contributed.

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

While people rightfully use breaking poorly as an excuse, they also tend to underestimate the fact that horses that break poorly are often on the way down form wise. To top it off, they are often overbet because of the poor break.

The immediate culprit for Cross Traffic's difficult start was attributed to the gate placement for the seldom used 10f trip. Given that it was his hind legs that went out from under him, there is every likelihood that the footing out against the rail was less than ideal.

Hard to see Cross Traffic tailing off with Pletcher eschewing his typical half mile works and giving him regular 5f drills the last month. The M.O. on Pletcher runners that are over the top is nursing them up to the race. Sure looked like Cross Traffic was being prepared for the stretchout with those solid five-eighths efforts.

Sightseek · #2 09-30-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Hard to see Cross Traffic tailing off with Pletcher eschewing his typical half mile works and giving him regular 5f drills the last month. The M.O. on Pletcher runners that are over the top is nursing them up to the race. Sure looked like Cross Traffic was being prepared for the stretchout with those solid five-eighths efforts.

Was Quality Road doing 2f works then by the time the BC rolled around?

Kasept · #3 09-30-2013, 06:30 PM

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Was Quality Road doing 2f works then by the time the BC rolled around?

Quality Road worked steadily between the Woodward and Cup but was always an ouchy type with those problematic feet. With Jerkens too.

freddymo · #4 09-30-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

The immediate culprit for Cross Traffic's difficult start was attributed to the gate placement for the seldom used 10f trip. Given that it was his hind legs that went out from under him, there is every likelihood that the footing out against the rail was less than ideal.

Hard to see Cross Traffic tailing off with Pletcher eschewing his typical half mile works and giving him regular 5f drills the last month. The M.O. on Pletcher runners that are over the top is nursing them up to the race. Sure looked like Cross Traffic was being prepared for the stretchout with those solid five-eighths efforts.

how is the 116ish bsf dreaming of julia doing? War front?

blackthroatedwind · #5 09-30-2013, 10:25 PM

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The immediate culprit for Cross Traffic's difficult start was attributed to the gate placement for the seldom used 10f trip. Given that it was his hind legs that went out from under him, there is every likelihood that the footing out against the rail was less than ideal.

This is very stupid.

What if there were nine horses, would 8&9 both have stumbled? How about the 7 horse.....was he breaking from firm ground?

Steve, this is REALLY stupid.

Kasept · #6 09-30-2013, 10:36 PM

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This is very stupid.

What if there were nine horses, would 8&9 both have stumbled? How about the 7 horse.....was he breaking from firm ground?

Steve, this is REALLY stupid.

Really stupid? Huh.. Mig and Steve Young didn't think so when suggesting it.

blackthroatedwind · #7 09-30-2013, 10:39 PM

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Really stupid? Huh.. Mig and Steve Young didn't think so when suggesting it.

I don't care who said it, it is stupid, irresponsible, and holds up to NO intelligent scrutiny.

Just repeating things that others say is VERY dangerous.

Kasept · #8 09-30-2013, 10:47 PM

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I don't care who said it, it is stupid, irresponsible, and holds up to NO intelligent scrutiny.

Just repeating things that others say is VERY dangerous.

Horses can struggle out of the gate on the AQU inner because of the consistency/nature of the surface, but it's not possible that the footing contributed to Cross Traffic's struggle?

blackthroatedwind · #9 09-30-2013, 10:51 PM

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Horses can struggle out of the gate on the AQU inner because of the consistency/nature of the surface, but it's not possible that the footing contributed to Cross Traffic's struggle?

I don't agree with ANY of this. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up your first assertion about the inner, and frankly, comments like that are irresponsible.

Jay Frederick · #10 09-30-2013, 11:12 PM

Going into the race I was more concerned that the connections decided to skip the Woodward with Cross Traffic. Why skip a race, over a surface you had just won at, if he was doing good?

Bad start and all, I think there is some merit to how cold he was on the board being a possible indication that he was not going to put forth his best.

blackthroatedwind · #11 09-30-2013, 11:13 PM

What posts did Tiznow, Saint Liam, and Unbridled break from when winning their BC Classics at Belmont?

Danzig · #12 10-02-2013, 03:32 PM

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Horses can struggle out of the gate on the AQU inner because of the consistency/nature of the surface, but it's not possible that the footing contributed to Cross Traffic's struggle?

when reading the article on bloodhorse about cross traffic, i was reminded of this back and forth between you and andy...

GoldMark Farm's Whitney Invitational Handicap (gr. I) winner Cross Traffic will not run in the Nov. 2 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) after sustaining a minor shin injury when the track broke out from underneath him at the start of the Sept. 28 Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) at Belmont Park, his connections said Oct. 2.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2gavyEpGr

freddymo · #13 10-02-2013, 03:57 PM

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when reading the article on bloodhorse about cross traffic, i was reminded of this back and forth between you and andy...

GoldMark Farm's Whitney Invitational Handicap (gr. I) winner Cross Traffic will not run in the Nov. 2 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) after sustaining a minor shin injury when the track broke out from underneath him at the start of the Sept. 28 Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) at Belmont Park, his connections said Oct. 2.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2gavyEpGr

The only thing that broke was the colt. Let's not forget that until very recently UBS was the poster stallion for very fast fragile animals. That whole he didn't break well, tricky post position, KAKA was utter nonsense. Sure he didn't break well and now we know half of the reasons why. They patched him up and took a shot at JCGC. I guess they figured what did they have to lose right, now its to risky to further expose him.

cmorioles · #14 10-02-2013, 04:11 PM

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when reading the article on bloodhorse about cross traffic, i was reminded of this back and forth between you and andy...

GoldMark Farm's Whitney Invitational Handicap (gr. I) winner Cross Traffic will not run in the Nov. 2 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) after sustaining a minor shin injury when the track broke out from underneath him at the start of the Sept. 28 Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) at Belmont Park, his connections said Oct. 2.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2gavyEpGr

Probably should have underlined "his connections said" as well. I'll take that with a grain of salt.