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Old 09-30-2013, 09:47 PM
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I don't care who said it, it is stupid, irresponsible, and holds up to NO intelligent scrutiny.

Just repeating things that others say is VERY dangerous.
Horses can struggle out of the gate on the AQU inner because of the consistency/nature of the surface, but it's not possible that the footing contributed to Cross Traffic's struggle?
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Old 09-30-2013, 09:51 PM
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Horses can struggle out of the gate on the AQU inner because of the consistency/nature of the surface, but it's not possible that the footing contributed to Cross Traffic's struggle?
I don't agree with ANY of this. There is no evidence whatsoever to back up your first assertion about the inner, and frankly, comments like that are irresponsible.
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Old 09-30-2013, 10:12 PM
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Going into the race I was more concerned that the connections decided to skip the Woodward with Cross Traffic. Why skip a race, over a surface you had just won at, if he was doing good?

Bad start and all, I think there is some merit to how cold he was on the board being a possible indication that he was not going to put forth his best.
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Going into the race I was more concerned that the connections decided to skip the Woodward with Cross Traffic. Why skip a race, over a surface you had just won at, if he was doing good?

Bad start and all, I think there is some merit to how cold he was on the board being a possible indication that he was not going to put forth his best.
They took 3 months off between an excellent Met Mile and won the Whitney, giving this particular horse time between races has worked well.

Why waste the time trying to read between the lines when the horse didn't even get a fair chance to run his best? I will be more concerned on whether he will hold up to the pace pressure he will meet in the BCC than any idea that he was over the top because the 3 year olds took more money.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:03 AM
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They took 3 months off between an excellent Met Mile and won the Whitney, giving this particular horse time between races has worked well.

Why waste the time trying to read between the lines when the horse didn't even get a fair chance to run his best? I will be more concerned on whether he will hold up to the pace pressure he will meet in the BCC than any idea that he was over the top because the 3 year olds took more money.
The time off between the Met Mile and Whitney was planned. He didn't even make it back to the track to work for almost a full month after the Met Mile. The decision to skip the Woodward was a last minute decision. There is a difference.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:18 AM
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the 2 year old fillies in the east are slow and will be nowhere in the BC
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Old 10-01-2013, 03:39 PM
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the 2 year old fillies in the east are slow and will be nowhere in the BC
I would wait through the weekend before making that assumption...

I'll be using Palace Malice coming out of the JCGC, noting Welsh's workout reports since he is usually a fantastic worker.

I didn't hate Authenticity's last race -- just the trip she received. The field is looking very short for the Lady's Classic.
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What posts did Tiznow, Saint Liam, and Unbridled break from when winning their BC Classics at Belmont?
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What posts did Tiznow, Saint Liam, and Unbridled break from when winning their BC Classics at Belmont?
10 I believe.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:14 AM
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10 I believe.
Saint Liam broke from the 12.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:15 AM
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Saint Liam broke from the 12.
Yeah I think Tiznow was 10, they were all double digits I believe which was Andy's point.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:18 AM
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Yeah I think Tiznow was 10, they were all double digits I believe which was Andy's point.
Of course it was.
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Horses can struggle out of the gate on the AQU inner because of the consistency/nature of the surface, but it's not possible that the footing contributed to Cross Traffic's struggle?
when reading the article on bloodhorse about cross traffic, i was reminded of this back and forth between you and andy...


GoldMark Farm's Whitney Invitational Handicap (gr. I) winner Cross Traffic will not run in the Nov. 2 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) after sustaining a minor shin injury when the track broke out from underneath him at the start of the Sept. 28 Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) at Belmont Park, his connections said Oct. 2.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2gavyEpGr
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:57 PM
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when reading the article on bloodhorse about cross traffic, i was reminded of this back and forth between you and andy...


GoldMark Farm's Whitney Invitational Handicap (gr. I) winner Cross Traffic will not run in the Nov. 2 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) after sustaining a minor shin injury when the track broke out from underneath him at the start of the Sept. 28 Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) at Belmont Park, his connections said Oct. 2.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2gavyEpGr
The only thing that broke was the colt. Let's not forget that until very recently UBS was the poster stallion for very fast fragile animals. That whole he didn't break well, tricky post position, KAKA was utter nonsense. Sure he didn't break well and now we know half of the reasons why. They patched him up and took a shot at JCGC. I guess they figured what did they have to lose right, now its to risky to further expose him.
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when reading the article on bloodhorse about cross traffic, i was reminded of this back and forth between you and andy...


GoldMark Farm's Whitney Invitational Handicap (gr. I) winner Cross Traffic will not run in the Nov. 2 Breeders' Cup Classic (gr. I) after sustaining a minor shin injury when the track broke out from underneath him at the start of the Sept. 28 Jockey Club Gold Cup (gr. I) at Belmont Park, his connections said Oct. 2.

Read more on BloodHorse.com: http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...#ixzz2gavyEpGr
Probably should have underlined "his connections said" as well. I'll take that with a grain of salt.
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Old 10-02-2013, 03:19 PM
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Probably should have underlined "his connections said" as well. I'll take that with a grain of salt.
true.
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tough to do more damage to the breed than UBS has over a lifetime. fast cripples everywhere. just awful
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