welfare vs wages

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Then why in the world did you ask me if I wanted them to disappear?

Do you tip your fast food server? Or the person at the drive-thru?

You realize individual McDonald's restaurants are owned by franchisees and not the corporation, no?

You also realize many McDonald's employees, especially in urban areas are paid more than minimum wage and sometimes even double?

Or is it someone built the road to the McDonalds so jimmy crack corn and I don't care?

because if we want that as an industry, we must make sure it's a viable industry, and offers viable employment.
and no, i don't tip them, i don't go to those places. but i recognize that there's a need, and the employees need to be paid. and should be paid.
if your answer is that everyone should learn a skill and get a good job...then i would ask, who will work at fast food places? those jobs are necessary. are we supposed to just sneer at those poor, dumb sods but buy the product anyway? are we to just tell ourselves that it's their fault they work there?

when i was in the navy, as the chief told us in orientation in boot camp....some jobs in the military are more glamorous than others. but who is more important? for example, the pilot of the fighter plane, or the unsung mechanic who makes sure every bolt is tight? every job in the military is important, whether the yeoman who shuffles papers, or the boiler tech, or the nuke ET. they all are needed. they aren't all 'sexy', but they are all necessary.

now, should a mcdonals employee make 100k a year? of course not. should he or she be paid a living wage? absolutely. who is more important to the hungry person going thru the drive thru? i promise, it isn't the high paid ceo or the shareholder. you want your burger, and you want it now.

and what does it matter if some are franchises instead of corporate?

oh, and i do apologize. mcd's profits were't $3 billion.
it was $5 billion. but yeah, i see your point. they'd be hardpressed to pay more, wouldn't they?


and 'artificially setting wages'? the min. wage has been around for decades, but it has lagged with the rest of growth. it should be at $10/hour or so right now. wages are stagnant all over, not just there.
define 'artificial' what does that mean?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and 'artificially setting wages'? the min. wage has been around for decades, but it has lagged with the rest of growth. it should be at $10/hour or so right now. wages are stagnant all over, not just there.
define 'artificial' what does that mean?

Artificial is the government deciding what a wage should be regardless of the business or what skill set is needed to work a particular job.

If a McDonald's was having a hard time staffing a restaurant would it just close or raise wages? Do McDonald's employers in urban areas and wealthy parts offer more than minimum wage because those owners are more generous or because they'd have a hard time finding employees at minimum wage?

You do realize a fighter pilot could swab a deck and clean a latrine after taking off and landing on a aircraft but a seaman swabbing a deck doesn't have a chance successfully flying the jet. Wonder how your boot camp Chief would have responded if you said, "so I am just as important as you?"

In other words I have a feeling the Chief was lying to ya all.

[Danzig]

no, his point was even if someone is a 'lowly' deckhand, they are important.
a pilot can't complete his mission if the plane falls apart because the nuts and bolts weren't tightened. ships can't sail for very long without everyone on the team.
everyone likes to bust on the laundry detail...but guess what, you have to have clean skivvies.
people like to rag on fast food workers-but who else will fix the big macs people like so much? your garbage man-you don't want to go to the dump, do you?
people like to think they're superior, i guess it makes them feel better about themselves.

and the govt doesn't set wages, it just sets the low point. yeah, it would be soooo much better if we left it to the corporations to set those.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

people like to think they're superior, i guess it makes them feel better about themselves.

And some people think the system is fixed and the reason for their failure. Guess it makes them feel better rather than blaming themselves for getting pregnant as a child or dropping out of high school to hang out or etc. etc. etc.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

And some people think the system is fixed and the reason for their failure. Guess it makes them feel better rather than blaming themselves for getting pregnant as a child or dropping out of high school to hang out or etc. etc. etc.

so, food workers are pregnant drop outs? wow.

[Danzig]

http://www.policymic.com/articles/60...u-need-to-know


note:

Few work full-time because the industry cuts work hours at 32 hours so they don't have to give benefits…


http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...-child/278424/


Meanwhile, the vast majority have at least a high school degree, and a surprising 31 percent have at least some college. Presumably, some of those people are students working their way through school, but exactly how many who knows. The broader point is that these jobs aren't primarily a refuge for high school dropouts.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, food workers are pregnant drop outs? wow.

No most of them are on welfare which brings the thread back on point.

[Danzig]

which is my point, that if people got paid a living wage, and got paid to work, we wouldn't need all that welfare, now, would we???

[Danzig]

http://www.practicalmoneyskills.com/...D_Journal2.pdf



please, check out the sample budget. i want to know in what universe health insurance only costs $20 a month?
no grocery budget? or is that part of the $25 a day spending money? of course, if one works two full time jobs, one won't have much time to eat, so that's a bonus. and how much of that $25/day in 'spending money' goes to day care, since most fast food workers are closer to 30 years of age, and have a child or children?
car payment, car and home insurance, a grand total of $250/month. excuse me while i chuckle.

oh, and the 'income' from job one-no doubt that's based on a 40 hour week. that's also what most people don't get, as that would make them 'full time', and thus eligible for benefits.
but, hey, look at how much dough they roll in by having job two.

more helpful advice:

How do I record money given to me as a gift?
List it as other income when you receive it. If you save
the cash, you should record it as a credit on the date it
was received.

TIPS FOR BEING GOOD WITH YOUR MONEY
Spend less money than you make. BRILLIANT! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. why didn't i think of that?!

• When possible, use public transportation or carpool
• Consider walking or riding a bike when running errands

great info for people who don't live in a city.


yeah, who needs to make more? just budget wisely!

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/...ing_press.html

[b]Representative Stephen Fincher, Republican of Tennessee, explains why the government needs to reduce spending on the Supplemental Nutrional Assistance Program that provides food to poor families:

Here in Tennessee, Mr. Fincher embraces that view. “We have to remember there is not a big printing press in Washington that continually prints money over and over,” he said in May.[/B]


and yet....


Mr. Fincher, who was elected in 2010 on a Tea Party wave and collected nearly $3.5 million in farm subsidies from the government from 1999 to 2012, recently voted for a farm bill that omitted food stamps.


so, fincher, who is well to do, should be subsidized by tax payers....but a poor person who needs food? well, that's just too g**da** bad, isn't it?


The problem with Fincher isn't that he's scooped up farm subsidies, it's that the appropriations bill he's votes for continues to direct huge subsidies to rich farmers like himself even even while he preaches the evils of government spending to support the poor.