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08-26-2013, 11:31 AM
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BTW A poor woman who goes hungry yet produces children who undoubtedly will go hungry is compounding the poverty in America problem far more than the minimum wage paying store owner living in a shiny house is by far. 
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08-26-2013, 11:34 AM
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are you willing to see the fast food industry disappear completely? are you a consumer of fast food?
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08-26-2013, 11:43 AM
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And no I am not a consumer of fast food, or at least try not to be. Of course I consider trying to preserve good health my responsibility and not my neighbor's vis a vis government. BTW I don't always enjoy exercising either
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08-26-2013, 01:36 PM
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my point is that industries are here to service people. that we shouldn't demand a service, and then demand that people be paid low wages to support our wants. we can't have it both ways, can we?
i don't buy fast food, but many do. yes, they are typically unskilled. many are also hard-working with mouths to feed. the average age of fast food employees is not 18, they aren't high schoolers. it's closer to 30. if corps. paid living wages, we wouldn't need the govt to pick up the slack, thus lowering tax demand. poor mcdonals might only make $2 billion in profit instead of $3billion, poor guys. people want fast food. people have to work in fast food to provide the service. as a requirement, we want them to be poor? what about the fact that min. wage should be about $10/hour if it kept up with all the wage and living increases? or is the answer to just keep people stupid and poor? i mean, they deserve it, because we want mcdonalds, right? will the fast food industry disappear? of course not. should people be paid a decent wage? absolutely.
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08-26-2013, 02:07 PM
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Do you tip your fast food server? Or the person at the drive-thru? You realize individual McDonald's restaurants are owned by franchisees and not the corporation, no? You also realize many McDonald's employees, especially in urban areas are paid more than minimum wage and sometimes even double? Or is it someone built the road to the McDonalds so jimmy crack corn and I don't care?
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08-26-2013, 02:54 PM
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and no, i don't tip them, i don't go to those places. but i recognize that there's a need, and the employees need to be paid. and should be paid. if your answer is that everyone should learn a skill and get a good job...then i would ask, who will work at fast food places? those jobs are necessary. are we supposed to just sneer at those poor, dumb sods but buy the product anyway? are we to just tell ourselves that it's their fault they work there? when i was in the navy, as the chief told us in orientation in boot camp....some jobs in the military are more glamorous than others. but who is more important? for example, the pilot of the fighter plane, or the unsung mechanic who makes sure every bolt is tight? every job in the military is important, whether the yeoman who shuffles papers, or the boiler tech, or the nuke ET. they all are needed. they aren't all 'sexy', but they are all necessary. now, should a mcdonals employee make 100k a year? of course not. should he or she be paid a living wage? absolutely. who is more important to the hungry person going thru the drive thru? i promise, it isn't the high paid ceo or the shareholder. you want your burger, and you want it now. and what does it matter if some are franchises instead of corporate? oh, and i do apologize. mcd's profits were't $3 billion. it was $5 billion. but yeah, i see your point. they'd be hardpressed to pay more, wouldn't they? and 'artificially setting wages'? the min. wage has been around for decades, but it has lagged with the rest of growth. it should be at $10/hour or so right now. wages are stagnant all over, not just there. define 'artificial' what does that mean?
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Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. Abraham Lincoln
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08-26-2013, 03:50 PM
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If a McDonald's was having a hard time staffing a restaurant would it just close or raise wages? Do McDonald's employers in urban areas and wealthy parts offer more than minimum wage because those owners are more generous or because they'd have a hard time finding employees at minimum wage? You do realize a fighter pilot could swab a deck and clean a latrine after taking off and landing on a aircraft but a seaman swabbing a deck doesn't have a chance successfully flying the jet. Wonder how your boot camp Chief would have responded if you said, "so I am just as important as you?" In other words I have a feeling the Chief was lying to ya all.
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08-26-2013, 01:58 PM
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08-26-2013, 02:20 PM
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Plus CEO's are exempt from income taxes and contribute nothing to either the treasury or charity. In fact if there were no overpaid CEO's there would be no poverty. Look at North Korea.
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