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You ignored virtually every point that I made and I didnt call you a troll, I said you come off like one. You are the one who is concerned with semantics. As for the paceadvantage thing who really cares? It was an off the cuff attempt at humor. As for being off base that's nonsense. If I made some silly remark about speed figures or something that you have intimate knowledge of I find it hard to believe that you wouldnt be quick to comment or correct me. Seriously what did I say about the topic that you found to be incorrect? |
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How is giving clenbuterol to a kid that has asthma remotely close to giving it to a horse because it might be beneficial, and doing it every day? If you want to argue that point, you'll need to do it with those that wrote the report. I don't think they are on any side of the drug issue. They just presented the facts. Really, this sums up the whole thing: Quote:
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Your statement that I'm wrong and you are right about the use of clenbuterol on a daily basis drips with irony considering your last paragraph. |
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"Investigators became concerned about clenbuterol when they found that some horses were getting it almost continually from their private veterinarians. Clenbuterol is approved only for the short-term treatment of respiratory disease, and is very effective. But when used in large amounts over a lengthy period, it builds muscle and can also cause health problems or death. " |
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![]() Personally I wouldn't do that, particularly for three or four months. Your owners told you it was OK I assume. They paid for it, not me. As an owner, I'd be pissed to find out I paid for the every day administration of a drug that does what the report purports long term. I'd be a bad owner though. I would ask too many questions.
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I have no problem with owners asking questions. Educated people are far better decision makers than people who are informed via Joe Drape. The entire tone of that recent NYT piece that all these poor owners are being duped into paying huge vet bills by trainers is hyperbole. The truth is that we arent paid by most people to train their horse, we are paid to win races hence the main method of selecting trainers is via win %. You wont find that in any reports or studies. But when a large majority of owners continue to use a single qualification to choose trainers (win %) they are more or less endorsing whatever methods tht trainer employs. I find it hard to believe that people are stunned when they get huge vet bills from leading trainers. Personally I prefer to train for people who have a clue as to what is going on and care about their horses. I could have twice as many horses as I have now pretty easily but too many people dont pay and what can be worse for your horse than having a trainer cutting corners because they dont have enough money to do things right? |
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Your constant insult of those that know more than you is beyond tiresome. You should listen to Chuck. Believe me, you'd learn something about horses and drugs.
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"Have the clean racing people run any ads explaining that giving a horse a Starbucks and a chocolate poppyseed muffin for breakfast would likely result in a ten year suspension for the trainer?" - Dr. Andrew Roberts |
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![]() I will say that you are the only person here that questioned the report. The consensus, even among those skeptical like Steve Crist, is that the study was well done and the report unbiased. I mean, even Chuck said he stopped doing it because it didn't do anything positive.
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You have demonstrated a repeated inability to read sentences, and glean an accurate meaning, without veering off into assumption. For example, your not understanding how your obvious insult to all horse trainers could possibly offend Chuck. Just. Stop.
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I did not question the report. I did not say I condone giving clenbuterol to a horse every day. Don't lie about what I said. What I said is that your statement about "not even knowing if there was a benefit " is superficial, shallow, generalized, and doesn't reflect what more knowledgable people than you do know about clenbuterol.
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![]() Ask Todd Pletcher if he is willing to train your regally bred 500k 2 year old BUT he can ONLY use Clenbuterol IF the horse ehibits certain criteria for its use. LOL NEXT
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They are cheats - not rocket scientists. They are cheats - not good horse trainers. They are cheats - not medical professionals. They don't cheat because they are smart. As Chuck has already pointed out, 95% of drug overages, the ones some of the public gets freaked out about, is due to microscopic overages of daily therapeutic medications in amounts that could never affect performance in a million years. Let's just keep that reality in mind.
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