NY Task Force on Racehorse Health & Safety Report, Reccos

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You ask questions but dont like the answers so it is impossible to discuss drugs with trainers? You have an agenda against drugs despite seemingly not understanding a great deal about what you are against. You dont respond to points brought up in posts but either pick them apart looking for exactness in quotes or simply dismiss them. Agree or disagree? What point have I made that was untrue or unreasonable? The fact of the matter is that without defining "drugs", being for or against them is an inane argument.

Are you against surgeries? Are you against ulcer or digestive tract medications? Are you against Adequan/legend/polyglycan or other drugs that help maintain joint health? Are you against anti-inflamatory drugs? Are you against nsaids? Are you against antibiotics? Are you against allergy medications? Are you against immune stimulants? Are you against injected vitamins? Are you against electrolytes? What about circulatory drugs that help horses with foot issues? What about medications for colic or founder? IRAP therapy? Please tell me where do you draw the line between ok and not ok? Sound silly? Well 95% of positive tests come from medications like these and it has nothing to do with the "culture of drugs" and way more to do with the insane way that the sport is regulated in regards to allowable levels, withdrawl times and a total lack of transparency by state racing comissions and labs.

What exactly is the plan of the paceadvantage platform? Stop treating issues? Ignore them? Go holistic? Faith heal? Or that nonsense I hear all the time, give them time off? So everytime anything goes wrong with a horse we just give them time off? We have complaints that horses dont race enough already but we are supposed to just keep them in a stall or turn out in a field till all is well? Please enlighten me as to what all the non-trainers have come up with to solve the drug problem.

Paceadvantage platform? You do know I'm just a poster there only, right? I can moderate posts when people get out of line, nothing more. I have nothing else to do with that site other than it is the one where I post most.

As for the drug thing, did you notice nobody here posted the Bloodhorse article about 2yo horses racing without Lasix? I'm quite sure you didn't miss it. Turns out a very small percentage of those horses showed the slightest trace of bleeding. Yet, we are told it is needed in the vast majority of horses as a preventive drug.

Many trainers (and I have no idea if that includes you) do what the vet tells them to do, nothing more. They just echo what they are told as if experts in equine medicine. Believe it or not, there are plenty of unscrupulous vets out there that use trainers and do unnecessary things. My opinion is there are way too many tracks running too many days, and because of that we have plenty of unqualified people training horses.

There is a lot of ugly stuff that goes on with horses, and that was all my original post was meant to say. I mean how can you possibly defend giving horses clenbuterol every day without even knowing if it would have benefits or not? That is just sad. We can all bitch and moan about the articles in the New York Times and in the NYRA report, but the fact is there is plenty of dirty laundry to be aired, even if all that was written isn't completely true or exaggerated.

Since you made it personal, lets make a deal. I'll stop complaining about drug use when you stop whining about other trainers getting too many horses, i.e. they should give them to you instead.