The Chicago Public School Teachers Demand 30% Raise

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Douchey retread, wow how long did it take you to come up with that zinger? A four-year old could come up with something more original and creative than that. I am still waiting for an intelligent post from you. Something tells me that I will be waiting a long time.

That's not really the Point, Man.

[jms62]

The upside to this strike is no one was shot at a Chicago school this week. I am forcing myself to not be such a pessimist.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

The upside to this strike is no one was shot at a Chicago school this week. I am forcing myself to not be such a pessimist.

and don't forget those grossly overweight teachers got a workout walking the picket line.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

The upside to this strike is no one was shot at a Chicago school this week. I am forcing myself to not be such a pessimist.

see, there's always a bright side.

i read earlier that one of the teachers' complaints is on test scores being used as a measure of a teachers work. they don't like that. but, how else do they think we can make sure who the good vs the bad teachers are? and there are bad ones out there. there has to be a way to judge teaching ability-i wonder what they would suggest?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

see, there's always a bright side.

i read earlier that one of the teachers' complaints is on test scores being used as a measure of a teachers work. they don't like that. but, how else do they think we can make sure who the good vs the bad teachers are? and there are bad ones out there. there has to be a way to judge teaching ability-i wonder what they would suggest?

Apparantly testing and wages have been agreed to. The fight is over how much power individual principals will have hiring and firing. The union wants them to have none.

Meanwhile the city's public charter schools are in session and far out performing the rest. Their teachers coincidently are not part of the union.

The real issue is half of Chicago's schools are far from capacity. Emanuel wants to consolidate and shut down failing schools (up to 100 has been a number put out there) and the union is concerned about losing jobs.

They (the union not teachers) could give a f'k about the students.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Apparantly testing and wages have been agreed to. The fight is over how much power individual principals will have hiring and firing. The union wants them to have none.

Meanwhile the city's public charter schools are in session and far out performing the rest. Their teachers coincidently are not part of the union.

The real issue is half of Chicago's schools are far from capacity. Emanuel wants to consolidate and shut down failing schools (up to 100 has been a number put out there) and the union is concerned about losing jobs.

They (the union not teachers) could give a f'k about the students.

That's not what I read in the ST yesterday Steve...said despite all the deregulations etc there performance is no better than public schools. I'll try and find article later.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

That's not what I read in the ST yesterday Steve...said despite all the deregulations etc there performance is no better than public schools. I'll try and find article later.

I didn't get to the ST yesterday but found this study of 2011 comparing 4th and 8th grade reading and math tests however it only considered low income children and is from a libertarian site.

This suggests you can take a poor, underperforming African-American or Latino child from a traditional public school and put him in a charter school, where he has the chance to improve or thrive educationally.

Because charter schools are free of the restrictions on teacher hiring, firing and evaluations that hamstring Chicago's traditional public schools, they recruit and retain demonstrably better educators. This is not to say there are no good teachers in traditional public schools–far from it. But it does suggest strongly that the inflexibility and high cost of unionized public school teachers does not help in educating students well. That is, of course, everyone's goal with taxpayer-financed, government-provided education, right?

http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-li...arter-schools/

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

That's not really the Point, Man.

Then what is Da point?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pointman

Then what is Da point?

Which one am I talking to now?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Which one am I talking to now?

Are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy? What was your point?

[Thepaindispenser]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy? What was your point?

Dahoss has no point, it comes with the territory when you still support this incompetent, lying, corrupt, uncompromising, fraud in the White House.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pointman

Are you suggesting some kind of conspiracy? What was your point?

Let's not play dumb. If you want to insult me, do it under your name. That was my point.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Let's not play dumb. If you want to insult me, do it under your name. That was my point.

I am not PD. if you disagree with my views feel free to debate it. Sugessting that I am insulting you under a different name is absurd.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am not PD. if you disagree with my views feel free to debate it. Sugessting that I am insulting you under a different name is absurd.

If you are the point man for anything, then the guys with you are in trouble. You couldn't be best man in an all girl school. For a mook like you, who couldn't pick his brother out of a room full of dachshunds, to insult a handicapper like Mr hoss, is totally absurd.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am not PD. if you disagree with my views feel free to debate it. Sugessting that I am insulting you under a different name is absurd.

Just so I'm clear, this is the story you are going with.

You're not thepaindispenser despite his political views being identical to yours. You're not thepaindispenser despite your posting styles being identical. You introduced this guy to the board and after his third post you welcomed him, while pretending you didn't know who he was, but you're not him.

When I asked him a question yesterday and you responded and then he did a few minutes later, that was just a coincidence? And despite this guy being here for a little over a month he insults people by telling them he's waiting to hear something intelligent from them? But you're not him?

I call bullshit. And frankly it's kind of embarrassing to watch you try and weasel your way out if it. Own it and let's move forward tough guy.