The Chicago Public School Teachers Demand 30% Raise

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Originally Posted by Riot

The taxpayers choose who to represent them in government. They are responsible for their destiny (well, until the Supreme Court said no, people with the most money are in charge)

Taxpayers have hired public school teachers since before many towns were in states. When towns hire hundreds of teachers, the teachers are legally allowed to band together and elect representatives to negotiate on their behalf. Just like the taxpayers have representatives that negotiate on their behalf.

They should negotiate better contracts then. Or should be able to look at the math and say this is totally unsustainable perhaps we should think more long term...
No comment on the NJEA making Corzine the gov?
Or trying to do the same with Barret in WI.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

They should negotiate better contracts then. Or should be able to look at the math and say this is totally unsustainable perhaps we should think more long term...
No comment on the NJEA making Corzine the gov?
Or trying to do the same with Barret in WI.

I have no knowledge of Corzine and the NJEA.

Barret was not the union-supported and endorsed candidate in the Dem Wisconsin primary. He was not the union choice.

Unions do think long-term. That's why they accept 4% pay raises, and are paid less than in the private sector for the most part. Unions have given us a middle class and massive employee protections that every employee in the United States, private or public, has benefited from (weekends, minimum wage, workplace protection, health care, vacations, 40-hour workweek, etc). The unions in Wisconsin immediately gave up massive pay, benefits and pension agreements to help the state budget (you forget, they are taxpayers, too)

The fact is, that where management and employees have good working relations, and everybody is happy and working towards their goal, being in a union, or not, doesn't really matter.

When employees stick together, they have greater strength, against abusive employers, than as individuals. Where there is no management abuse or massive disagreement, there are no problems, union or not. Where there is abuse, employees sticking together protects themselves, their incomes, their families, their jobs, the middle class and workers. That's not evil. That's awesome.

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Originally Posted by Riot

I have no knowledge of Corzine and the NJEA.

Barret was not the union-supported and endorsed candidate in the Dem Wisconsin primary. He was not the union choice.

Unions do think long-term. That's why they accept 4% pay raises, and are paid less than in the private sector for the most part. Unions have given us a middle class and massive employee protections that every employee in the United States, private or public, has benefited from (weekends, minimum wage, workplace protection, health care, vacations, 40-hour workweek, etc). The unions in Wisconsin immediately gave up massive pay, benefits and pension agreements to help the state budget (you forget, they are taxpayers, too)

The fact is, that where management and employees have good working relations, and everybody is happy and working towards their goal, being in a union, or not, doesn't really matter.

When employees stick together, they have greater strength, against abusive employers, than as individuals. Where there is no management abuse or massive disagreement, there are no problems, union or not. Where there is abuse, employees sticking together protects themselves, their incomes, their families, their jobs, the middle class and workers. That's not evil. That's awesome.

When talented individuals are grouped with and forced to be treated the same as slackers that is a good thing then? Makes sense in your world I suppose.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

When talented individuals are grouped with and forced to be treated the same as slackers that is a good thing then? Makes sense in your world I suppose.

No and nope.

If management fails to negotiate themselves a position that enables them to fire unproductive employees, that's sure as hell not the employees fault