The Chicago Public School Teachers Demand 30% Raise

[Riot]

"Teachers are the cause of all evil"

Unbelievably gullible sheep.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

"Teachers are the cause of all evil"

Unbelievably gullible sheep.

Nope, just their Unions and their coffering ways. Why should someone who is basically paid to do a job with private citizens tax dollars be allowed to deny said tax payer the service? We will have to agree to disagree.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

Nope, just their Unions and their coffering ways. Why should someone who is basically paid to do a job with private citizens tax dollars be allowed to deny said tax payer the service? We will have to agree to disagree.

No person can, or should be, forced to work when the other side has broken the work agreement.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

No person can, or should be, forced to work when the other side has broken the work agreement.

OK I can agree to that. But what if there is no money to pay them the wage increase? What if the increase was based upon job performance which most jobs are in the private sector? Then how do you justify paying a salary increase when the numbers show you arent doing a very good job.
I know in my line of work that raises and bonus's are based upon job performance and attitude. Like I said we can agree to disagree, I say that in the hope that this discussion stays above the belt.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

OK I can agree to that. But what if there is no money to pay them the wage increase?

Then the taxpayers shouldn't have promised to pay them. That's what negotiation is all about. Negotiation goes both ways, and unions don't want their jobs to go away.

For example, in Wisconsin, the governor said there was no money, so immediately the unions agreed to a massive cut in pay, benefits and pension.

The union is simply a legal representative of all the employees, so each employee doesn't need to negotiate separately.

Teachers have negotiated - by the taxpayers - agreements for performance. If the teachers don't reach them, they can lose their jobs. It works both ways.

Demonizing unions is as silly as demonizing taxpayers.

Lets not educate ourselves. Just give all public employees raises during a depression. Lets continue to blame one man who was a puppet for all of the world's problems. Lets re-elect a guy who has made things far worse. And if we don't elect him lets elect the guy who won't do any better or make a bit of difference.

Lets just take everything from the suckers who actually pay taxes. Fu.ck us. F.uck us hard. Just let us have jobs and a f.ucking pizza on the weekend. F.uck books, f.uck newspapers. Let's watch Dancing with the Stars and check Huffy Post on our phone and get all slacktivist on social media about how f.ucking cool our President is. He sings old soul songs for crying out loud!!

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Lets not educate ourselves. Just give all public employees raises during a depression. Lets continue to blame one man who was a puppet for all of the world's problems. Lets re-elect a guy who has made things far worse. And if we don't elect him lets elect the guy who won't do any better or make a bit of difference.

Lets just take everything from the suckers who actually pay taxes. Fu.ck us. F.uck us hard. Just let us have jobs and a f.ucking pizza on the weekend. F.uck books, f.uck newspapers. Let's watch Dancing with the Stars and check Huffy Post on our phone and get all slacktivist on social media about how f.ucking cool our President is. He sings old soul songs for crying out loud!!

So which side are you on?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Lets not educate ourselves. Just give all public employees raises during a depression. Lets continue to blame one man who was a puppet for all of the world's problems. Lets re-elect a guy who has made things far worse. And if we don't elect him lets elect the guy who won't do any better or make a bit of difference.

Lets just take everything from the suckers who actually pay taxes. Fu.ck us. F.uck us hard. Just let us have jobs and a f.ucking pizza on the weekend. F.uck books, f.uck newspapers. Let's watch Dancing with the Stars and check Huffy Post on our phone and get all slacktivist on social media about how f.ucking cool our President is. He sings old soul songs for crying out loud!!

I had forgotten how incredibly awesome this rant was - Glad you're back Coach

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then the taxpayers shouldn't have promised to pay them. That's what negotiation is all about. Negotiation goes both ways, and unions don't want their jobs to go away.

For example, in Wisconsin, the governor said there was no money, so immediately the unions agreed to a massive cut in pay, benefits and pension.

The union is simply a legal representative of all the employees, so each employee doesn't need to negotiate separately.

Teachers have negotiated - by the taxpayers - agreements for performance. If the teachers don't reach them, they can lose their jobs. It works both ways.

Demonizing unions is as silly as demonizing taxpayers.

The taxpayer representation was more often than not put in place by the unions. They (NJEA) gave the governorship of NEW Jersey to one of the biggest scumbags in the history of politics (however much Uncle Joe loves him it is true) what is he supposed to do after that?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

The taxpayer representation was more often than not put in place by the unions. They (NJEA) gave the governorship of NEW Jersey to one of the biggest scumbags in the history of politics (however much Uncle Joe loves him it is true) what is he supposed to do after that?

The taxpayers choose who to represent them in government. They are responsible for their destiny (well, until the Supreme Court said no, people with the most money are in charge)

Taxpayers have hired public school teachers since before many towns were in states. When towns hire hundreds of teachers, the teachers are legally allowed to band together and elect representatives to negotiate on their behalf. Just like the taxpayers have representatives that negotiate on their behalf.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

Then the taxpayers shouldn't have promised to pay them. That's what negotiation is all about. Negotiation goes both ways, and unions don't want their jobs to go away.

For example, in Wisconsin, the governor said there was no money, so immediately the unions agreed to a massive cut in pay, benefits and pension.

The union is simply a legal representative of all the employees, so each employee doesn't need to negotiate separately.

Teachers have negotiated - by the taxpayers - agreements for performance. If the teachers don't reach them, they can lose their jobs. It works both ways.

Demonizing unions is as silly as demonizing taxpayers.

The tax payers agreed or the politicians that are supposed to be the representative of the people footing the bill? Do the tax payers actually get to agree to Union demands or just the local government? Ive seen shows on Dateline and 20/20 about teachers detention rooms where teachers go every school day and do nothing because the district cant fire them because of their Union contract but wont let them teach for either bad job performance or other violations.

[dellinger63]

I was wrong. For too long I've blamed parents of failing students for their failure when all along, at least in Chicago, it's obvious now it's the teachers.

The crew of teachers that showed up Sunday, threatening strike in the Daley Center were obviously unable to maintain themselves much less teach or God forbid serve as role models to their students.

Two Questions; why did they pick the Daley Center and not City Hall (directly across the street) to protest? And why were there protest signs in espanol? Must have been the Picassso and using the word horas.

With the first day of school comes the threat of a strike come next Monday. Why because the teachers care!

Fire them all and hire only the good ones back. We owe it to our children and simply throwing more money at bad teachers only compounds and solidifies the problem.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No person can, or should be, forced to work when the other side has broken the work agreement.

No one is forced to work, you choose your path and if you do not like it change it don't hold children hostage.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

No one is forced to work, you choose your path and if you do not like it change it don't hold children hostage.

Teachers chose to accept a job where a specific salary and other job parameters were contractually agreed upon. Both parties have to hold to the agreement.

If the other side breaks the contract, teachers don't have to work anyway.

99% of the time, however, they continue to do so, while new agreements are reached.

Originally Posted by Riot

"Teachers are the cause of all evil"

Unbelievably gullible sheep.

Yes they are. The union protects the bad ones and thus the good ones in the union are equally bad because they are the f.ucking sheep allowing it, you dense cu.nt. You are defending a failing liberal/socialist government program.

Just shut up and go away, imbecile. Go cut some cat nuts off.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes they are. The union protects the bad ones and thus the good ones in the union are equally bad because they are the f.ucking sheep allowing it, you dense cu.nt. You are defending a failing liberal/socialist government program.

Just shut up and go away, imbecile.

Funny, I think you're an imbecile, too But not a very bright one. And unbelievably limited in vocabulary.

Originally Posted by Riot

Funny, I think you're an imbecile, too But not a very bright one. And unbelievably limited in vocabulary.

You just insulted the majority of posters on this site. If you're so god-damned smart you would have the awareness that this place is littered with idiots.

And, in fact, I've never claimed to be super intelligent nor bragged about academic achievements. You, on the other hand, crowbar it in on the regular.

You are f.ucking dumb. Beneath the majority on this site. Even nascar has more sense than you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You just insulted the majority of posters on this site.

No I didn't. I just pointed out what a cursing loser you are. You're a pathetic basement dwelling attack rat. Go away, sad little troll.

Lets defend and demand raises for our public school teachers and administrators. They are doing a fine, fine job preparing our children for the future. Teaching them how to be independent, giving them accurate history lessons, teaching them about their government.

Fantastic work. Hell, give them a 100% wage and force the parents to pay for it by doing maintenance work on school grounds, driving buses, giving the teachers oral pleasure, etc.

It's our fault, the private sector working class. We are the ones who spent all of the money.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Lets defend and demand raises for our public school teachers and administrators. They are doing a fine, fine job preparing our children for the future. Teaching them how to be independent, giving them accurate history lessons, teaching them about their government.

Fantastic work. Hell, give them a 100% wage and force the parents to pay for it by doing maintenance work on school grounds, driving buses, giving the teachers oral pleasure, etc.

It's our fault, the private sector working class. We are the ones who spent all of the money.