Random observations on 9/11

[DaTruth]

If bin Laden's goal was to have an effect on American society that went well beyond the direct damage caused on 9/11, he accomplished that goal. Two wars that have each lasted more than a decade. The Patriot Act. TSA. The Department of Homeland Security.

Every backwater town and police department gets Homeland Security money to buy all this fancy equipment to make you feel safer. The reality is that it is a job engine for the well-connected, and it gives some cops the ability to play out their fantasy of being soldiers.

If we had the American mindset of say, 1911, in 2011, the response would have been much different. There would have been retaliation, of course, and the security lapses would have been examined and corrected. But that would have been the extent of it. The best rebuke to the terrorists would have been for American life to go on as close as possible to how it did prior to the attacks.

Originally Posted by DaTruth

If bin Laden's goal was to have an effect on American society that went well beyond the direct damage caused on 9/11, he accomplished that goal. Two wars that have each lasted more than a decade. The Patriot Act. TSA. The Department of Homeland Security.

Every backwater town and police department gets Homeland Security money to buy all this fancy equipment to make you feel safer. The reality is that it is a job engine for the well-connected, and it gives some cops the ability to play out their fantasy of being soldiers.

If we had the American mindset of say, 1911, in 2011, the response would have been much different. There would have been retaliation, of course, and the security lapses would have been examined and corrected. But that would have been the extent of it. The best rebuke to the terrorists would have been for American life to go on as close as possible to how it did prior to the attacks.

Excellent post.

This country will never be the same. The people who should have protected us dropped the ball, preyed on our fear and unawareness of global affairs as a whole, and then took our liberties away like we are children.

And we accepted it. And now those of us who raise awareness are looked down upon. The same people who put American flag stickers on their cars after 9/11.

REVENGE!! BLOOD FOR BLOOD!

It's worked great for us.

[Dahoss]

I saw a bumper sticker this summer that said America-1 Osama-0.

I understand the message and someone was trying to make a buck off what happened, but....huh? Is that what some think...that we "won?"

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I saw a bumper sticker this summer that said America-1 Osama-0.

I understand the message and someone was trying to make a buck off what happened, but....huh? Is that what some think...that we "won?"

If only Muslims had a sense of humor maybe we would see bumper stickers that say:

America-1
Osama- 72 virgins

[Danzig]

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...r-the-top?lite

on mitt jumping the gun with criticisms before he got all the facts. yet some will still think he'll be 'better than obama'. at what?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2...r-the-top?lite

on mitt jumping the gun with criticisms before he got all the facts. yet some will still think he'll be 'better than obama'. at what?

this is the media's fault.

When the consulate was first stormed, and the flags were replaced with islamic flags, I was reading CNN and they gave the Obama Admin statement of
“efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.”

which, after reading that, pissed me the fucl< off.

If that Obama Admin statement was about Terry Jones and not about the consulate being attacked... then the way the media portrayed it was wrong.

I had the same reaction to the statement as Romney did.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

this is the media's fault.

When the consulate was first stormed, and the flags were replaced with islamic flags, I was reading CNN and they gave the Obama Admin statement of
“efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims.”

which, after reading that, pissed me the fucl< off.

If that Obama Admin statement was about Terry Jones and not about the consulate being attacked... then the way the media portrayed it was wrong.

I had the same reaction to the statement as Romney did.

but, lori, you can't actually have an effect on things...romney could. he should know not to pop off before he gets all the details, because they matter.
as the article said, the part about 'feelings' was issued before the attack occurred.
now he has to backtrack again, and it's no one's fault but his. former presidents keep mum on things like this, with reason. perhaps candidates should as well? he's not in charge, a question on what his policy would be in a situation like this is something to ask as a rhetorical question. and he should have said something like, it's a developing story-until more is known, i have no comment. beats looking like a neophyte, or having to apoligize, or just plain looking like he's clueless-again.


just saw this, on the romney campaigns 'odd response'

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20..._protests.html

romney decided to condemn pre-attack statements as tho they came after the attack. and they had time before their 'embargo' ended to get it straight.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

If bin Laden's goal was to have an effect on American society that went well beyond the direct damage caused on 9/11, he accomplished that goal. Two wars that have each lasted more than a decade. The Patriot Act. TSA. The Department of Homeland Security.

Every backwater town and police department gets Homeland Security money to buy all this fancy equipment to make you feel safer. The reality is that it is a job engine for the well-connected, and it gives some cops the ability to play out their fantasy of being soldiers.

If we had the American mindset of say, 1911, in 2011, the response would have been much different. There would have been retaliation, of course, and the security lapses would have been examined and corrected. But that would have been the extent of it. The best rebuke to the terrorists would have been for American life to go on as close as possible to how it did prior to the attacks.

that douche eliot spitzer wrote on slate that 'we've won'. when?