8/25 (SAR): Travers, King's Bishop, Test (G1's), Ballston Spa (G3)

tywizard · #1 08-23-2012, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

Pat really? How can you defend that field. Sometimes its best to keep quiet and have people think you are a NYRA schill then open your mouth and remove all doubts. Your best strategy in this sitaution is to point out how great the other 3 races in the P4 came up.

I don't understand how the Travers field can be questioned either. If you're complaining about the field it implies that you believe there are horses that are not running - who are they?

Put differently, you can complain or more accurately, be disappointed with tge quality of our remaining three year olds (due to injuries) - But you have to realize that is a very different argument.

Also, from a betting standpoint this seems like a very good group - meaning that this field has more opportunities than a field with a 4/5 Paynter. Unless of course you were against him (silly).

jms62 · #2 08-23-2012, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

I don't understand how the Travers field can be questioned either. If you're complaining about the field it implies that you believe there are horses that are not running - who are they?

Put differently, you can complain or more accurately, be disappointed with tge quality of our remaining three year olds (due to injuries) - But you have to realize that is a very different argument.

Also, from a betting standpoint this seems like a very good group - meaning that this field has more opportunities than a field with a 4/5 Paynter. Unless of course you were against him (silly).

Who said i am complaining? I am stating the obvious that the field is not that good. How it got that way is not relevent. I am taking exception to Pat's constant defense of any critiscm leveled of any NY race or card out of hand. Maybe a better tact would be that it is what it is due to the decimation of the crop but at least it is a better betting race. If you need to have caveats when defending the quality of a race then you basically made the case of those saying that the quality is not on par with previous years. Good betting race, YES good Travers field NO.

1-Speightcity
2/7 MSW,N1X
0-3 Graded
0-1 Grade 1 9th beaten 11 1/2
2-FiveSixteen
1/8 MSW
0-1 Grade 1 5th beaten 10th
3-Golden Ticket
1/9 MSW
0-2 Graded
4-Stealcase
2/9 MSW, N1X
0-4 Graded
0-1 G1 3rd beaten 8.5
5-Streetlife
3/7 MSW, Stk-100 Stk-100
0/6 Graded
0/2 G1 4 7-1/2. 6-7 1/2
6-Alpha
4/8 MSW, Stk, G3, G2
2/6 Graded
0/4 G1
7-Atigun
3/11 MSW, N1X, N2X
0/5 Graded
0/2 G1 2-2, 11-9 1/2
8-Neck'n Neck
3/11 MSW, N1X, G3
1/5 Graded
0/1 Grade 1 5-4 1/2
9-Liason
3/11 MSW, Stk 100, G1
Graded 1/8
G1 1/3 6-7, 6-9 1/2. Win
10-Nonios
3/6 MSW, N1X, G3
Graded 1/3
G1 0/1 w 3 3/4
11 Fast Falcon
1/6 MSW
0/2 Graded

Combined Graded 5/45
Combined Grade 1 1/16
Combined 2012 Grade 1 0/13

RockHardTen1985 · #3 08-23-2012, 06:32 AM

Big field does not equal good betting race. This is not a good betting race. The 2 most likely winners will be 9-5 and 3-1. Or close to those odds.

jms62 · #4 08-23-2012, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Big field does not equal good betting race. This is not a good betting race. The 2 most likely winners will be 9-5 and 3-1. Or close to those odds.

Which is the same thing most everyone will say about most graded races. Races arent run on paper.

NTamm1215 · #5 08-23-2012, 08:39 AM

Any race where Alpha is the favorite is a good betting race.

zippyneedsawin · #6 08-23-2012, 09:00 AM

Liaison at 8-1 against this field looks fine by me. He's got just as good a shot as some of the 'favs' in this race but should be a nice price.

tywizard · #7 08-23-2012, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Any race where Alpha is the favorite is a good betting race.

Can you explain? Not disagreeing, just would like your perspective.

NTamm1215 · #8 08-23-2012, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by tywizard

Can you explain? Not disagreeing, just would like your perspective.

Alpha is rather mediocre. He has flopped in his two biggest spots, which happened to both occur outside of NY, creating a convenient excuse. His Jim Dandy win is terribly dressed up, as he rode a strong speed bias that developed as the day wore on and set very comfortable fractions in doing so. While the pace scenario in here is not altogether different, he is the type of horse that you are supposed to be interested in betting against.