Romney refuses Obama campaign offer to stop talking about taxes

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

No,it's not race baiting - it's me pointing at clear race-baiting, and saying, "THAT'S RACE BAITING" The Southern Strategy lives. It has to, there's a black man in the White House.

Of course, that "black" guy was raised by white Kansas grandparents, pure midwest Americana, one a WW 2 veteran, and he only met his Kenyan father once when he was 10, but the ongoing "niggardization" of Barack Obama is very clear and necessary in this country for the Republican Party to get enough votes to stay in power.

This is absolute nonsense and nothing more than your attempt to take the legitimate concern that people have with the President's association with a known raciest who spews anti-American views and unfairly dimiss not just anyone who raises it, but anyone who assoicate's themselves with one of the two major political parties as a raciest.

I find the above quote of what you are projecting on anyone who disagrees with your views as utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of what you wrote above, it is only you who is injecting race unfairly.

Maybe at some point we can get back to my original comment that you ran away from and quickly deflected the conversation at me, which was your ridiculous assertion of painting a political position that I also disagree with as being held by only old, white and men.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

This is absolute nonsense and nothing more than your attempt to take the legitimate concern that people have with the President's association with a known raciest who spews anti-American views and unfairly dimiss not just anyone who raises it, but anyone who assoicate's themselves with one of the two major political parties as a raciest.

I find the above quote of what you are projecting on anyone who disagrees with your views as utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of what you wrote above, it is only you who is injecting race unfairly.

I'm not ashamed in the least for pointing at racism and calling it by it's name. Yes, that's why I think Rev. Wright is still being brought up by many- because the only other reason for bringing up Rev. Wright years later is the reason you ignored and didn't answer: where is the demonstrated "result" and "influence" of Obama's association with this terrible hate-monger?

So, we have two reasons for people bringing up Rev.Wright today: I say the first one is the well-known Republican Southern Strategy, the reason Clinton first brought up Wright in the 2008 primary (before she abandoned it as useless due to lack of Obama contact w/Wright) - appealing to racists and driving "fear of the angry vengeful black man".

You can pretend that doesn't even exist, but I don't see how one can justify such a view.

Secondly, the negative influence such a man would have. So tell me, as you've ignored it completely in your answer -where is the negative influence of this man Wright on our President, that makes it an ongoing concern to you years later? Doesn't the past 4 years - let alone all the years under the public microscope - prove Wright had no apparent negative influence upon Obama, judging Obama by his actions and words?

I acknoweged in my previous post, agreeing with you, that yes, Wright could be a negative influence. I asked you if that's been demonstrated, because I've seen the opposite. You wanna answer that? You say that is the reason Wright is still being brought up. Okay. So, let's examine that concern. I went first and said I hadn't seen cause for such concern. Have you? Where? How?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not ashamed in the least for pointing at racism and calling it by it's name. Yes, that's why I think Rev. Wright is still being brought up by many- because the only other reason for bringing up Rev. Wright years later is the reason you ignored and didn't answer: where is the demonstrated "result" and "influence" of Obama's association with this terrible hate-monger?

No one deflected and changed the issue but you. You changed the issue to stick your left foot in your mouth in attempt to pull the right foot you stuck in your mouth beforehand with a racial comment that I pointed out. The issue is legitimate and your attempt to spin those concerned with it as racial is disgusting, plain and simple. Keep getting yourself deeper in the hole.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

No one deflected and changed the issue but you. You changed the issue to stick your left foot in your mouth in attempt to pull the right foot you stuck in your mouth beforehand with an racial comment that I pointed out. The issue is legitimate and your attempt to spin those concerned with it as racial is disgusting, plain and simple. Keep getting yourself deeper in the hole.

I'll try again:

Go back and read my response to you. The question is, "Why is Rev. Wright still being brought up?"

I say one reason is Southern Strategy dog whistles and racism. You say that doesn't even exist. I say that's baloney. Okay, so we differ.

I agreed with you - two posts ago, hello! - that the second reason Rev. Wright is still being brought up, agreeing with you that is a valid reason, is what influence a man like Wright could have on the President?

I asked you, two posts ago, to tell me what you see that makes this concern an ongoing worry now, years later.

Because Obama has been in the public eye for years now, under a microscope for the past 6 - you have a concern - has it been proven, or disproven to you?

I say, judging by the man's actions and words, that concern is disproven.

Waiting for your answer.

[Thepaindispenser]

Riot, I produced an article where Obama said that he never misses a Sunday at Wright's church. You have responded that he didn't attend it regularly and other nonsense yet you have not produced one iota of proof to back up your claims. I caught in a lie.

Yes, it is legitimate to question the sanity, judgement, and ability to lead of anyone who would sit in that church for 20 years and listen to that hateful rhetoric. Also, Obama didn't voluntarily disassociate himself from Wright, he only did it after his candidacy was severely threatened. You are such a hypocrite, if a Republican attended a church for 20 years where hateful, racist rhetoric was in the sermons, you would not only be calling that person a racist but also anybody who defended them.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Thepaindispenser

Riot, I produced an article where Obama said that he never misses a Sunday at Wright's church. You have responded that he didn't attend it regularly and other nonsense yet you have not produced one iota of proof to back up your claims. I caught in a lie.

No. I responded that apparently you caught Obama in a lie, as what he said there differs from what he said elsewhere, and what his churchmembers said during the 2008 campaign.

Yes, it is legitimate to question the sanity, judgement, and ability to lead of anyone who would sit in that church for 20 years and listen to that hateful rhetoric.

Yeah. I agreed with that "listening to hate" thing posts ago with Pointman. He can't read, either.

I'll ask you the same question I asked him - what behaviour or words have you seen, as Obama has been in the microscope of the public eye over the past 6 years, and demonstrated his opinion by words and actions, that causes you to be concerned still and bring up Rev. Wright again?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'll try again:

Go back and read my response to you. The question is, "Why is Rev. Wright still being brought up?"

I say one reason is Southern Strategy dog whistles and racism. You say that doesn't even exist. I say that's baloney. Okay, so we differ.

I agreed with you - two posts ago, hello! - that the second reason Rev. Wright is still being brought up, agreeing with you that is a valid reason, is what influence a man like Wright could have on the President?

I asked you, two posts ago, to tell me what you see that makes this concern an ongoing worry now, years later.

Because Obama has been in the public eye for years now, under a microscope for the past 6 - you have a concern - has it been proven, or disproven to you?

I say, judging by the man's actions and words, that concern is disproven.

Waiting for your answer.

I am tired of playing your stupid games, but since you want me to make a fool of you, I will. I, and many others, are concerned about Obama's background and true feelings regarding this country. Since Obama is a persistent liar, many Americans understand that they cannot take him at his word and have to look beyond that, like the people he associates with, such as raciest, Amercian hating Preacher's at a church he attended for 20 years and known Black Panther members. And it is just as relevant now as it was four years ago, particularly in light of the fact that he does not have to face voters again if he is re-elected and may be more likely to govern with his real views knowing so.

Now that I have answered the question you asked after deflecting my first question, would you care to answer my first question which had nothing to do with Rev. Wright? Please tell me why you had to stoop to the racial generalization that it is old, white and men who are the forcing vaginal ultrasounds and a woman's ability to procreate?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am tired of playing your stupid games, but since you want me to make a fool of you, I will. I, and many others, are concerned about Obama's background and true feelings regarding this country. Since Obama is a persistent liar,

Really? Do name many of his "persistent lies".

And please - go ahead and tell us how Obama has demonstrated his "true feelings" - that you fear so obviously - for this country during his first term. Name specifics that have concerned you.

... and have to look beyond that, like the people he associates with, such as raciest, Amercian hating Preacher's at a church he attended for 20 years and known Black Panther members.

So you think that everyone who associated with bad influences decades ago is forever tainted by those influences. Does that apply to you, too?

Does that apply to good influences, too, staying with you forever? Or just bad ones?

I find it interesting that you think that every kid who read Atlas Shrugged in college, or pretended to be an anarchist in their 20's, is still what they were, and that people don't change or grow - LOL.

And it is just as relevant now as it was four years ago, particularly in light of the fact that he does not have to face voters again if he is re-elected and may be more likely to govern with his real views knowing so.

SCARY BLACK MAN WITH SECRET VIEWS HE'S KEPT HIDDEN FOR YEARS FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Yeah, I know exactly what you are about. I'm done with you.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Really? Do name many of his "persistent lies".

And please - go ahead and tell us how Obama has demonstrated his "true feelings" - that you fear so obviously - for this country during his first term. Name specifics that have concerned you.



So you think that everyone who associated with bad influences decades ago is forever tainted by those influences. Does that apply to you, too?

Does that apply to good influences, too, staying with you forever? Or just bad ones?

I find it interesting that you think that every kid who read Atlas Shrugged in college, or pretended to be an anarchist in their 20's, is still what they were, and that people don't change or grow - LOL.



SCARY BLACK MAN WITH SECRET VIEWS HE'S KEPT HIDDEN FOR YEARS FROM THE PUBLIC EYE!

Yeah, I know exactly what you are about. I'm done with you.

You can keep on trying to deflect the issues and attempt to suggest that everyone who disagees with you is a raciest when eveyone can see that you consistently keep avoiding the question I asked you. This is one of the many reasons why you have no credibility here.