Romney refuses Obama campaign offer to stop talking about taxes

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

That does bother me personally, just as much as the fact that you had to stoop to using a racial generalization in making your point. Here is a newsflash, it is not just old, white or men who are doing that.

The only reason for trying to tie Rev. Wright to Barack Obama is racism. Yup. I said that.

Tell me what old black or non-white men are trying to dictate, in our Congress, what women can do? Ah .. .Allen West! Forgot about him :-) He is one crazy muther.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

The only reason for trying to tie Rev. Wright to Barack Obama is racism. Yup. I said that.

Tell me what old black or non-white men are trying to dictate, in our Congress, what women can do? Ah .. .Allen West! Forgot about him :-) He is one crazy muther.

Really? People don't have legitimate concerns regarding Wright's anti-American and anti-white views and the President's association with that person?

Your statement is blatent race baiting without any justification for it. Yup. I said that. Not to mention it is your latest attempt to deflect the issue I raised with you.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

Really? People don't have legitimate concerns regarding Wright's anti-American and anti-white views and the President's association with that person?

You statement is blatent race baiting without any justification for it. Yup. I said that. Not to mention your latest attempt to deflect the issue I raised with you.

No,it's not race baiting - it's me pointing at clear race-baiting, and saying, "THAT'S RACE BAITING" The Southern Strategy lives. It has to, there's a black man in the White House.

Of course, that "black" guy was raised by white Kansas grandparents, pure midwest Americana, one a WW 2 veteran, and he only met his Kenyan father once when he was 10, but the ongoing "niggardization" of Barack Obama is very clear and necessary in this country for the Republican Party to get enough votes to stay in power.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

No,it's not race baiting - it's me pointing at clear race-baiting, and saying, "THAT'S RACE BAITING" The Southern Strategy lives. It has to, there's a black man in the White House.

Of course, that "black" guy was raised by white Kansas grandparents, pure midwest Americana, one a WW 2 veteran, and he only met his Kenyan father once when he was 10, but the ongoing "niggardization" of Barack Obama is very clear and necessary in this country for the Republican Party to get enough votes to stay in power.

This is absolute nonsense and nothing more than your attempt to take the legitimate concern that people have with the President's association with a known raciest who spews anti-American views and unfairly dimiss not just anyone who raises it, but anyone who assoicate's themselves with one of the two major political parties as a raciest.

I find the above quote of what you are projecting on anyone who disagrees with your views as utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of what you wrote above, it is only you who is injecting race unfairly.

Maybe at some point we can get back to my original comment that you ran away from and quickly deflected the conversation at me, which was your ridiculous assertion of painting a political position that I also disagree with as being held by only old, white and men.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

This is absolute nonsense and nothing more than your attempt to take the legitimate concern that people have with the President's association with a known raciest who spews anti-American views and unfairly dimiss not just anyone who raises it, but anyone who assoicate's themselves with one of the two major political parties as a raciest.

I find the above quote of what you are projecting on anyone who disagrees with your views as utterly disgusting. You should be ashamed of what you wrote above, it is only you who is injecting race unfairly.

I'm not ashamed in the least for pointing at racism and calling it by it's name. Yes, that's why I think Rev. Wright is still being brought up by many- because the only other reason for bringing up Rev. Wright years later is the reason you ignored and didn't answer: where is the demonstrated "result" and "influence" of Obama's association with this terrible hate-monger?

So, we have two reasons for people bringing up Rev.Wright today: I say the first one is the well-known Republican Southern Strategy, the reason Clinton first brought up Wright in the 2008 primary (before she abandoned it as useless due to lack of Obama contact w/Wright) - appealing to racists and driving "fear of the angry vengeful black man".

You can pretend that doesn't even exist, but I don't see how one can justify such a view.

Secondly, the negative influence such a man would have. So tell me, as you've ignored it completely in your answer -where is the negative influence of this man Wright on our President, that makes it an ongoing concern to you years later? Doesn't the past 4 years - let alone all the years under the public microscope - prove Wright had no apparent negative influence upon Obama, judging Obama by his actions and words?

I acknoweged in my previous post, agreeing with you, that yes, Wright could be a negative influence. I asked you if that's been demonstrated, because I've seen the opposite. You wanna answer that? You say that is the reason Wright is still being brought up. Okay. So, let's examine that concern. I went first and said I hadn't seen cause for such concern. Have you? Where? How?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm not ashamed in the least for pointing at racism and calling it by it's name. Yes, that's why I think Rev. Wright is still being brought up by many- because the only other reason for bringing up Rev. Wright years later is the reason you ignored and didn't answer: where is the demonstrated "result" and "influence" of Obama's association with this terrible hate-monger?

No one deflected and changed the issue but you. You changed the issue to stick your left foot in your mouth in attempt to pull the right foot you stuck in your mouth beforehand with a racial comment that I pointed out. The issue is legitimate and your attempt to spin those concerned with it as racial is disgusting, plain and simple. Keep getting yourself deeper in the hole.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

No one deflected and changed the issue but you. You changed the issue to stick your left foot in your mouth in attempt to pull the right foot you stuck in your mouth beforehand with an racial comment that I pointed out. The issue is legitimate and your attempt to spin those concerned with it as racial is disgusting, plain and simple. Keep getting yourself deeper in the hole.

I'll try again:

Go back and read my response to you. The question is, "Why is Rev. Wright still being brought up?"

I say one reason is Southern Strategy dog whistles and racism. You say that doesn't even exist. I say that's baloney. Okay, so we differ.

I agreed with you - two posts ago, hello! - that the second reason Rev. Wright is still being brought up, agreeing with you that is a valid reason, is what influence a man like Wright could have on the President?

I asked you, two posts ago, to tell me what you see that makes this concern an ongoing worry now, years later.

Because Obama has been in the public eye for years now, under a microscope for the past 6 - you have a concern - has it been proven, or disproven to you?

I say, judging by the man's actions and words, that concern is disproven.

Waiting for your answer.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Riot

The only reason for trying to tie Rev. Wright to Barack Obama is racism. Yup. I said that.

It's not the racism - it's the hate. Wright is hate-monger. Obama was a member of his church and had every chance to withdraw - but he didn't.

My sister-in-law is ordained. She spews hate and I choose not to associate with her - my choice. Obama had the same choice that he didn't make.

Interesting that you denounce how paindispenser trots out something from 4 years ago, and then you go back 10 yrs on Romney's Utah-NH tax info.....typical hypocrite.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

It's not the racism - it's the hate. Wright is hate-monger. Obama was a member of his church and had every chance to withdraw - but he didn't.

Yes, it is about Rev. Wright spewing hate.

You realize that Wright is retired, and has been for years now?
That Obama and family haven't attended that church in years?
That their intermittent attendance had been verified by other church members?
That Obama's had no association with Rev. Wright after he went off the deep end with his sermons at the end of his career?
That Wright didn't talk like that at all his sermons, or during the majority of his career as pastor, according to other church members? It was an "end of career" thing, and not common?

Obama said he wasn't present for those hate sermons, other church members verified they rarely attended, you can believe him or not.

It's clear, you choose "not".

So then, my question to you, who fear Obama possesses the same type of 'hate for the white man' as Rev.Wright in his latter career, comes down to: How has Obama demonstrated, during his many years of public life under the microscope, the same type of "hate for the white man" as Rev. Wright?

Ever? No. He never has. He has represented the complete opposite in his public life statements and actions.

Including his attendance at his current Episcopalian Church. You know how dangerous and subversive those Episcopalians are!

So why do some continue to insist upon bringing up Rev. Wright, from years ago, now? I say it's obviously attempting to not get Obama reelected via blowing those Southern Strategy Dog Whistles loud and clear.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, it is about Rev. Wright spewing hate.

You realize that Wright is retired, and has been for years now?
That Obama and family haven't attended that church in years?
That their intermittent attendance had been verified by other church members?
That Obama's had no association with Rev. Wright after he went off the deep end with his sermons at the end of his career?
That Wright didn't talk like that at all his sermons, or during the majority of his career as pastor, according to other church members? It was an "end of career" thing, and not common?

Obama said he wasn't present for those hate sermons, other church members verified they rarely attended, you can believe him or not.

It's clear, you choose "not".

So then, my question to you, who fear Obama possesses the same type of 'hate for the white man' as Rev.Wright in his latter career, comes down to: How has Obama demonstrated, during his many years of public life under the microscope, the same type of "hate for the white man" as Rev. Wright?

Ever? No. He never has. He has represented the complete opposite in his public life statements and actions.

Including his attendance at his current Episcopalian Church. You know how dangerous and subversive those Episcopalians are!

So why do some continue to insist upon bringing up Rev. Wright, from years ago, now? I say it's obviously attempting to not get Obama reelected via blowing those Southern Strategy Dog Whistles loud and clear.

Wright may be retired but you can't run from his statements and the fact that one of his parishioners is now the Pres. Either a follower disavows and runs from the message or he stays and follows. Zebra never changes his stripes.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

Wright may be retired but you can't run from his statements and the fact that one of his parishioners is now the Pres. Either a follower disavows and runs from the message or he stays and follows. Zebra never changes his stripes.

The President did disavow Wrights rantings. No credit from you for that, huh?

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Riot

The President did disavow Wrights rantings. No credit from you for that, huh?

Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do... some fall for it, others don't.

How do you feel about Martin O'Malley? He's the 2016 candidate from MD - and a total piece of crap.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do.. some fall for it, others don't.

So does that apply to John McCain, too?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by phystech

Lip service from a guy that was planning on re-election 4 years ago. A zebra never changes his stripes - he says what he has to say, when he has to say it, just like all of them do... some fall for it, others don't.

How do you feel about Martin O'Malley? He's the 2016 candidate from MD - and a total piece of crap.

She is resorting to the twofold Obama/liberal defense on this issue. First, claim it didn't happen despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and the President's admissions that he attended services for 20 years. When intelligent people call her out on that and even when she challenges one to post a quote of Obama admitting it implying it doesn't exist and that poster does post the quote, she resorts to the second defense, call someone a raciest for even thinking of raising this issue.

Thank you for being one of the sane people here and taking the time to challenge her BS knowing the price you will ultimately pay in the vortex of spin and lies she will never stop coming back with.