BREAKING: Second source confirms Reid's allegations Romney paid no taxes for 10 year

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

You need to talk to del.. He personally has met over 100 people in the last couple years who came to this country with LESS than 30 bucks in their pockets and are now pulling in over a million a year.

It's actually a pretty simple plan but requires a lot of effort. But here's how it goes. You determine a business you would like to own/run ie. a gas station, hotel etc. You work at that job, of course at minimum wage (to start) for anywhere from 80-100 hrs a week. By saving all overtime even at $8 bucks /hr comes to almost $17K/year after 2 years $34K and a down payment on a service station or motel. Continuing working those same hours now as your own boss making 30-40 bucks an hour thus saving between 51K and 108K a year. Reinvesting that money in yet more service stations/motels/hotels makes you a manager of employees and your businesses and you'd be able to cut hours and enjoy success. What's funny is most don't but cut back from 80 hrs to 60 hrs a week and take a couple vacays.

Remember one guy interviewed while cleaning hallways at one of a dozen hotels he owns what his hobbies are: He said hobbies cost money and he has none.

[dellinger63]

And on rare occasions I even come up with an American who realizes the dream thru nothing but hard work

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It's actually a pretty simple plan but requires a lot of effort. But here's how it goes. You determine a business you would like to own/run ie. a gas station, hotel etc. You work at that job, of course at minimum wage (to start) for anywhere from 80-100 hrs a week.

The "plan" of working 80-100 hours a week allows no time for sleep, or eating, or procreating, or ever seeing your children, but hey ... it's the American Dream to work 16-17 hours a day at minimum wage, be unable to afford a car, no health insurance, little food, no house, and have a spouse you never see raise your kids as orphans.

That's crazy!

What type of "goal" is that?

To choose to suffer under a centuries-old self-flaggellating weird Puritan work ethic of lifetime punishment?

Do you guys realize that there are 36 other first world, democratic countries in this world, where everyone's health care is covered, getting sick won't take your house and life's savings; education in college or trade is inexpensive and readily obtainable for all; if you are unemployed the government will support you at a non-poverty rate while loaning you money to start your own business and get back on your feet quickly; where people choose the job they love and want to do, because being a garbage man pays as much a decent salary as being a lawyer; where people live measurably longer than in the US, own their own homes, with healthier lives, far more free time, vacation time, earlier retirement, and measurably happier lives?

Where people don't wake up every day in fear of poverty, illness, starvation, unemployment?

Where did this angry, "everything sucks, don't spend any money on improving our lives" attitude come from?

Why is America the only first world country trying to go backwards as far as quality of life goes?

The whole point of creating a country is to band together as a society, to help it's citizens live a good life. Not be filled with angry, cheap, resentful, intolerate, unhealthy mobs, that has the highest rates of murder and ill-health in the world of "first world" countries.

Can you imagine if we had spent all that money for Iraq on ourselves, and our own country? On our health care, our education, our technology, our businesses? And no, that has nothing to do with "government handouts", it's entirely about quality of life, and what countries value for their citizens and themselves.

America? Is all we value in 2012 invading other countries to try and get their oil and ensure Haliburton has extraordinary income? While our citizens suffer in poverty, ill-health, and half our population is unable to even live basic, good lives? And the half of our country in poverty are attacked by the wealthiest and told to contribute more to the overall "good", while the wealthy own the government and give themselves more 20% tax breaks?

People should be able to work 30-40 hours a week, and afford a house, a family, health care, retirement, a good life with vacations and enjoyment and free time. It happens in many other countries, but not commonly in the United States.
Because we as a society don't choose that life for ourselves. We're one of the richest countries in the world - we could certainly readily afford it.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

The "plan" of working 80-100 hours a week allows no time for sleep, or eating, or procreating, or ever seeing your children, but hey ... it's the American Dream to work 16-17 hours a day at minimum wage, be unable to afford a car, no health insurance, little food, no house, and have a spouse you never see raise your kids as orphans.

That's crazy!

Do you guys realize that there are 36 other first world, democratic countries in this world, where everyone's health care is covered, getting sick won't take your house and life's savings; education in college or trade is inexpensive and readily obtainable for all; if you are unemployed the government will support you at a non-poverty rate while loaning you money to start your own business and get back on your feet quickly; where people choose the job they love and want to do, because being a garbage man pays as much a decent salary as being a lawyer; where people live measurably longer than in the US, own their own homes, with healthier lives, far more free time, vacation time, earlier retirement, and measurably happier lives?

Where did this angry, "everything sucks, don't spend any money on improving our lives" attitude come from?

Why is America the only first world country trying to go backwards as far as quality of life goes?

The whole point of creating a country is to band together as a society, to help it's citizens live a good life. Not be filled with angry, cheap, resentful, intolerate, unhealthy mobs, that has the highest rates of murder and ill-health in the world of "first world" countries.

Can you imagine if we had spent all that money for Iraq on ourselves, and our own country? On our health care, our education, our technology, our businesses? And no, that has nothing to do with "government handouts", it's entirely about quality of life, and what countries value for their citizens and themselves.

America? Is all we value in 2012 invading other countries to try and get their oil and ensure Haliburton has extraordinary income? While our citizens suffer in poverty, ill-health, and half our population is unable to even live basic, good lives? And they are attacked by the wealthiest and told to contribute more to the overall "good", while the wealthy own the government and give themselves more 20% tax breaks?

I concur. No one that has ever made more than 100K in a one year period should be allowed to enter into public service.
Everyone knows that the poor are in fact the most responsible and intelligent this country has to offer, they just need a helping hand.

[dellinger63]

Here's a good example of a lost hippie finding his way to the American Dream albeit with $500

Singh was born Paul Arthur Labombard in 1952, in Fitchburg in north central Massachusetts. Like many people in that small factory town, he grew up poor. But from earliest childhood, Singh stood out from the crowd. He yearned for adventure and challenge. He taught himself to read at the age of four and the local library was a favorite childhood haunt. According to Singh, “I dreamed of someday visiting the world. I also learned that if you want to learn anything in life you can always find it in a book.”

Long before he developed his first property as Pritam Singh, Labombard displayed a flair for attracting media attention to causes he deemed worthy. As a teenager in Brunswick, Maine, where his family had moved, he was interviewed by Walter Cronkite in 1968 for his role in discovering illegal signatures on a petition to place the segregationist George Wallace on the presidential ballot in Maine.

In 1969, at the age of 17, seeking sun and serenity, Singh made his way to Florida, first to Miami and then on to Key West, where he spent several months sleeping on the front porch of a local inn. Though it would be 17 more years before he developed his first project there as Pritam Singh, the Florida Keys captured the imagination of the young and penniless Labombard, and over the years he would be drawn time and again to this delicate string of coral reef islands.

Also in that year, Singh was arrested and spent several days in jail with a group protesting the Vietnam War in Washington, D.C. His early political activism evolved into a spiritual search, however, and Labombard entered a Sikh Ashram in Massachusetts a couple of years later at the age of 19, remaining until he was 24. While in the Ashram, he married Kaitlin Briggs. It was also during this time that he took the name Pritam Singh. Pritam means “God’s Beloved” in the language of the Sikhs, and Singh, meaning “lion,” is the surname all Sikh men adopt.

The working years

In 1976 Singh emerged from his long period of meditation and study in the Sikh commune and moved to Portland, Maine. In Portland, he and Kaitlin had two daughters, first Siri Sahaj Kaur and then Charan Kamal Kaur. Kaur, meaning “Princess,” is the surname of all Sikh women. In 1979, after a period spent traveling to India, he bought his first house in Maine - a building that had been condemned after a fire - using a loan from his lawyer, a mortgage from the seller and $500 on his credit card. Singh turned the building into ten apartments.

He formed a company called Great Bay and began turning low cost and foreclosed properties into a series of small-scale development successes, and his career as one of America’s most talked about real estate developers began.

From the very beginning as a small New England builder focusing on historic preservation, Singh displayed the deep reverence for beauty and tradition, as well as for quality design and craftsmanship, that continues to distinguish his projects today.

Singh was a principal force in the revitalization of Portland’s downtown district with a series of acquisitions, each larger and more ambitious than the last. He took four historical buildings called Frothingham Yard and turned them into 16 affordable condominiums that sold out in two days. He purchased, renovated and quickly sold historic buildings like Carroll Mansion. He took two buildings in downtown and turned them into the Oakview Condominiums. Then came 35 condominiums at 99 Silver Street

And now

Pritam Singh is the Founder and President of the largest and most successful real estate development company in the Florida Keys. His firm currently has five major residential, resort and commercial projects under development, stretching from Key West to Marathon, with a combined valuation of more than one quarter of a billion dollars. His projects in Key West alone are estimated to have added over a billion dollars to the city’s tax base.

Singh has been responsible for the development of large-scale planned residential, resort and hotel projects in the Florida Keys worth over one billion dollars. These include such now well-known names as the Village at Hawk’s Cay, The Key West Golf Club and, most notably, the Truman Annex, The Singh Company’s signature project encompassing a resort hotel, upscale condominiums, single family homes and over 60,000 square feet of commercial space, all celebrated for their adherence to the simple yet beautiful architectural style that Key West made famous.

Singh is personally involved in every project his eponymous firm develops, and his keen eye for detail has taken on legendary proportions among the builders and contractors who work for him. An exacting perfectionist as well as a frequent world traveler, Singh has been known to bring back a particular style of porch light or doorknob he has spotted on his travels to Europe and Asia for use in a community he is developing.

So for God's sake America stop bitchin, stop coveting others' money and get a f'n job!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It's actually a pretty simple plan but requires a lot of effort. But here's how it goes. You determine a business you would like to own/run ie. a gas station, hotel etc. You work at that job, of course at minimum wage (to start) for anywhere from 80-100 hrs a week. By saving all overtime even at $8 bucks /hr comes to almost $17K/year after 2 years $34K and a down payment on a service station or motel. Continuing working those same hours now as your own boss making 30-40 bucks an hour thus saving between 51K and 108K a year. Reinvesting that money in yet more service stations/motels/hotels makes you a manager of employees and your businesses and you'd be able to cut hours and enjoy success. What's funny is most don't but cut back from 80 hrs to 60 hrs a week and take a couple vacays.

Remember one guy interviewed while cleaning hallways at one of a dozen hotels he owns what his hobbies are: He said hobbies cost money and he has none.

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

You realize people don't always use banks? See above.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

What I don't get is how you are supposed to live on $8 an hour while you are saving all that overtime money up.

You need at least $15 an hour in the US to have a decent life.

Hello? America? Other countries do quality-of-life better, and we can get back to that, too!

Because gawd knows, we lost the realistic American Dream possibility (where one dad worked and that was enough to afford a good life, while mom stayed home in the house with the kids, and everyone had food, savings, retirement and vacations) back in the late 1970's.

Dell's view of saying, "you can still have part of that, if you work 80-100 hours a week" is a cruel, absurd, destructive, terrible way to live. Better we work towards making quality of life good for all citizens in America, and return it to being the land of opportunity and good lives.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I don't get is how you are supposed to live on $8 an hour while you are saving all that overtime money up.

You need at least $15 an hour in the US to have a decent life.

Hello? America? Other countries do quality-of-life better, and we can get back to that, too!

Because gawd knows, we lost the realistic American Dream possibility (where one dad worked and that was enough to afford a good life, while mom stayed home in the house with the kids, and everyone had food, savings, retirement and vacations) back in the late 1970's.

Dell's view of saying, "you can still have part of that, if you work 80-100 hours a week" is a cruel, absurd, destructive, terrible way to live. Better we work towards making quality of life good for all citizens in America, and return it to being the land of opportunity and good lives.

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

Hey Greece invented sex. Though admittedly other countries introduced it to women.

Sorry I know that was bad.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

The ones that do not buy into "austerity". See double-dip recession, England.

The world economy was tanked by the possessors of most of the money being reckless. That's pretty simply and apparent, no? LIBOR?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

The ones that do not buy into "austerity". See double-dip recession, England.

The world economy was tanked by the possessors of most of the money being reckless. That's pretty simply and apparent, no? LIBOR?

Specific countries, please with facts and figures about how well they are doing financially.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Specific countries, please with facts and figures about how well they are doing financially.

Read a newspaper.

What specifically are you looking for? You denying the fact that the available money in the (free) world has never been more stratified to the possession of an upper class of elite that run our governments and banks, set their own interest rates and own the laws? You think that is not true?

Look at the larger picture - you're down in the weeds of "which economies are specifically doing well and by how many dollars" That wasn't my point.

[Riot]

America: we could choose to invest in ourselves, in a good life for all of us (except I truly think we feel too guilty to do so, due to our crazy Puritan religious roots) for our country, or continue with "not". Continue to be angry, resentful, selfish, hoarding, envious, class-religion-color-stratified ...

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...s-communities/

World Happiness Report
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2960

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

America: we could choose to invest in ourselves, in a good life for all of us (except I truly think we feel too guilty to do so, due to our crazy Puritan religious roots) for our country, or continue with "not". Continue to be angry, resentful, selfish, hoarding, envious, class-religion-color-stratified ...

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...s-communities/

World Happiness Report
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2960

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...of-california/

My sister-in-law runs this program, not sure what it has to do with other countries. People in that area tend to be very happy as long as they are wealthy.
The poor seem to be some of the worst I have seen outside of Baltimore.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

She must be talking about France as they have the model she loves, though I think it is arguable that France is a first world country.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

yeah, and there are also plenty of places paying out tons of overtime as well. it's so simple! and since it's so easy to get by on $320 a week before taxes, surely you could save up every bit of that overtime.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, and there are also plenty of places paying out tons of overtime as well. it's so simple! and since it's so easy to get by on $320 a week before taxes, surely you could save up every bit of that overtime.

Yea all of those Patels and Singhs who started in dives and gas stations getting robbed weekly and now own branded hotels and petroleum centers are just front men for guys like Romney.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea all of those Patels and Singhs who started in dives and gas stations getting robbed weekly and now own branded hotels and petroleum centers are just front men for guys like Romney.

lol
your leaps of imagination are rather amusing. how do you do it? you take a comment and just run with it in your own direction. exactly how do you infer any of that from what i wrote?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
your leaps of imagination are rather amusing. how do you do it? you take a comment and just run with it in your own direction. exactly how do you infer any of that from what i wrote?

You said it was impossible to live on minimum wage and save. If you go back a page you'll find a story of a runaway who began with $500 f'n dollars and now owns the old Eisenhower Airforce Base in Key West just to name one property. It is possible to save.

It might not be possible with a car, cable, a cell phone, designer shoes, a big screen TV, even healthcare etc but it's possible.