BREAKING: Second source confirms Reid's allegations Romney paid no taxes for 10 year

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

It's actually a pretty simple plan but requires a lot of effort. But here's how it goes. You determine a business you would like to own/run ie. a gas station, hotel etc. You work at that job, of course at minimum wage (to start) for anywhere from 80-100 hrs a week. By saving all overtime even at $8 bucks /hr comes to almost $17K/year after 2 years $34K and a down payment on a service station or motel. Continuing working those same hours now as your own boss making 30-40 bucks an hour thus saving between 51K and 108K a year. Reinvesting that money in yet more service stations/motels/hotels makes you a manager of employees and your businesses and you'd be able to cut hours and enjoy success. What's funny is most don't but cut back from 80 hrs to 60 hrs a week and take a couple vacays.

Remember one guy interviewed while cleaning hallways at one of a dozen hotels he owns what his hobbies are: He said hobbies cost money and he has none.

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

You realize people don't always use banks? See above.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

What I don't get is how you are supposed to live on $8 an hour while you are saving all that overtime money up.

You need at least $15 an hour in the US to have a decent life.

Hello? America? Other countries do quality-of-life better, and we can get back to that, too!

Because gawd knows, we lost the realistic American Dream possibility (where one dad worked and that was enough to afford a good life, while mom stayed home in the house with the kids, and everyone had food, savings, retirement and vacations) back in the late 1970's.

Dell's view of saying, "you can still have part of that, if you work 80-100 hours a week" is a cruel, absurd, destructive, terrible way to live. Better we work towards making quality of life good for all citizens in America, and return it to being the land of opportunity and good lives.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

What I don't get is how you are supposed to live on $8 an hour while you are saving all that overtime money up.

You need at least $15 an hour in the US to have a decent life.

Hello? America? Other countries do quality-of-life better, and we can get back to that, too!

Because gawd knows, we lost the realistic American Dream possibility (where one dad worked and that was enough to afford a good life, while mom stayed home in the house with the kids, and everyone had food, savings, retirement and vacations) back in the late 1970's.

Dell's view of saying, "you can still have part of that, if you work 80-100 hours a week" is a cruel, absurd, destructive, terrible way to live. Better we work towards making quality of life good for all citizens in America, and return it to being the land of opportunity and good lives.

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

Hey Greece invented sex. Though admittedly other countries introduced it to women.

Sorry I know that was bad.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

The ones that do not buy into "austerity". See double-dip recession, England.

The world economy was tanked by the possessors of most of the money being reckless. That's pretty simply and apparent, no? LIBOR?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

The ones that do not buy into "austerity". See double-dip recession, England.

The world economy was tanked by the possessors of most of the money being reckless. That's pretty simply and apparent, no? LIBOR?

Specific countries, please with facts and figures about how well they are doing financially.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Specific countries, please with facts and figures about how well they are doing financially.

Read a newspaper.

What specifically are you looking for? You denying the fact that the available money in the (free) world has never been more stratified to the possession of an upper class of elite that run our governments and banks, set their own interest rates and own the laws? You think that is not true?

Look at the larger picture - you're down in the weeds of "which economies are specifically doing well and by how many dollars" That wasn't my point.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Read a newspaper.

What specifically are you looking for? You denying the fact that the available money in the (free) world has never been more stratified to the possession of an upper class of elite that run our governments and banks, set their own interest rates and own the laws? You think that is not true?

Look at the larger picture - you're down in the weeds of "which economies are specifically doing well and by how many dollars" That wasn't my point.

You said other countries have better ways of life for their citizens, I would like to know if any of those countries with all the happy people that do not have to work very hard are doing well financially. I choose not to read a newspaper to prove your point, I would like you to prove your point.
If we need to sacrifice what remains of this once great country for everyone to be happy I would like to see the future represented in one of the many countries you are suggesting we emulate.
Please?

[Riot]

America: we could choose to invest in ourselves, in a good life for all of us (except I truly think we feel too guilty to do so, due to our crazy Puritan religious roots) for our country, or continue with "not". Continue to be angry, resentful, selfish, hoarding, envious, class-religion-color-stratified ...

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...s-communities/

World Happiness Report
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2960

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

America: we could choose to invest in ourselves, in a good life for all of us (except I truly think we feel too guilty to do so, due to our crazy Puritan religious roots) for our country, or continue with "not". Continue to be angry, resentful, selfish, hoarding, envious, class-religion-color-stratified ...

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...s-communities/

World Happiness Report
http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/2960

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...of-california/

My sister-in-law runs this program, not sure what it has to do with other countries. People in that area tend to be very happy as long as they are wealthy.
The poor seem to be some of the worst I have seen outside of Baltimore.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

http://www.bluezones.com/programs/bl...of-california/

My sister-in-law runs this program, not sure what it has to do with other countries. People in that area tend to be very happy as long as they are wealthy.
The poor seem to be some of the worst I have seen outside of Baltimore.

I'm talking about Blue Zones in all the countries of the world, not just Loma Linda. I am talking about overall quality of life in a country, of a people, including the World Happiness Quotient/Measure, not only focusing on one's income.

I am talking about what countries can use their income (taxes, money) to do for their citizens, and what we as the citizens should choose to spend our combined societal money upon, to gain a better country for everyone in it.

We, in America, have gone into massive debt to fight wars. Imagine if we, instead over those eight years, had used that money on us: our education, technology, alleviating poverty, making life in the US better for all of us, by measures that are proven to provide good quality of life and happiness in many other places in the world. Ensuring all Americans have health care, food, shelter, education, thus opportunity to live and work in a fulfilling, happy life with free time, relaxation, family.

That's pretty cool about your sister-in-law, she works at the hospital in Loma Linda? Or for Blue Zone Project? What "program" does she run?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Which of these countries is currently operating a stable economy?

She must be talking about France as they have the model she loves, though I think it is arguable that France is a first world country.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

34K down payment on a hotel or service station and showing 8 bucks an hour job and the BANKS will be lining up to loan you money...

yeah, and there are also plenty of places paying out tons of overtime as well. it's so simple! and since it's so easy to get by on $320 a week before taxes, surely you could save up every bit of that overtime.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, and there are also plenty of places paying out tons of overtime as well. it's so simple! and since it's so easy to get by on $320 a week before taxes, surely you could save up every bit of that overtime.

Yea all of those Patels and Singhs who started in dives and gas stations getting robbed weekly and now own branded hotels and petroleum centers are just front men for guys like Romney.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Yea all of those Patels and Singhs who started in dives and gas stations getting robbed weekly and now own branded hotels and petroleum centers are just front men for guys like Romney.

lol
your leaps of imagination are rather amusing. how do you do it? you take a comment and just run with it in your own direction. exactly how do you infer any of that from what i wrote?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
your leaps of imagination are rather amusing. how do you do it? you take a comment and just run with it in your own direction. exactly how do you infer any of that from what i wrote?

You said it was impossible to live on minimum wage and save. If you go back a page you'll find a story of a runaway who began with $500 f'n dollars and now owns the old Eisenhower Airforce Base in Key West just to name one property. It is possible to save.

It might not be possible with a car, cable, a cell phone, designer shoes, a big screen TV, even healthcare etc but it's possible.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You said it was impossible to live on minimum wage and save. If you go back a page you'll find a story of a runaway who began with $500 f'n dollars and now owns the old Eisenhower Airforce Base in Key West just to name one property. It is possible to save.

It might not be possible with a car, cable, a cell phone, designer shoes, a big screen TV, even healthcare etc but it's possible.

no, i didn't say that. you need to slow down, read more carefully, and not put words in peoples' mouths. you can't take what people post and twist it-well, i know you do it, but it doesn't help your argument when you do that.

[dellinger63]

Our forefathers WALKED west thousands of miles for opportunity and jobs yet some people today don't want a job if it requires being on your feet too long or God forbid taking more than one bus. Too easy to demand someone else pay for it.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Our forefathers WALKED west thousands of miles for opportunity and jobs yet some people today don't want a job if it requires being on your feet too long or God forbid taking more than one bus. Too easy to demand someone else pay for it.

Hate, envy and demonizing the other are a piss-poor way to live a life, or run a country.