Whole lotta cheating go in on!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I went back and looked up the past performances for Balto Star.

Probably the most unique thing about him was that he was 13/1 in an Inner Track MSW race at AQU, 8/1 in the Kentucky Derby, and 8/1 in the Breeders Cup Mile, ALL IN THE SAME YEAR!

That will obviously never happen again even if the AQU Inner survives for another five hundred years.


Here is what Balto Star's Thoro-Graph figures looked like going into the Derby:





He improved 27 Thoro-Graph points in less than 7 months from his debut until the Arkansas Derby.

He made 3 starts as a 2-year-old -- and the best Beyer he had in those three starts was just a 56. He ran a 112 Beyer in his win in the Spiral at Turfway. Literally double his top 2yo figure.

7-time Graded Stakes winner, earner of over $2.3 million, and it took him 4 starts to run a Beyer better than 56.

Was that big jump from 10 to 3 the first time he was put on the lead while going long?

Maybe it just took them some time to figure out what he really liked?

Didn't Lava Man have a similar type improvement and circumstances (on lead going long)?

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Was that big jump from 10 to 3 the first time he was put on the lead while going long?

Maybe it just took them some time to figure out what he really liked?

Didn't Lava Man have a similar type improvement and circumstances (on lead going long)?

Lava Man had plenty of speed, but certainly wasn't a need-the-lead type.



Lava Man...YES!

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Was that big jump from 10 to 3 the first time he was put on the lead while going long?

Maybe it just took them some time to figure out what he really liked?

Didn't Lava Man have a similar type improvement and circumstances (on lead going long)?

No, Balto Star was on the lead for his 3rd career start and he faded to 4th.

When Balto Star broke his maiden by 11 lengths at 13/1 odds on the Inner Track in start #4 -- he was rated off of the lead.


Lava Man was a consistant horse for Lonnie Arterburn. The instant Doug O' Neill claimed him, he moved up dramtic way.

Lava Man was not a front-end horse for O'Neill. He didn't go to the early lead for O'Neill until his 12th start for him in the Pacific Classic, where he finished 3rd under P. Val. Lava Man was a stalker/presser type in his prime.

In Lava Man's case, it was obviously the trainer switch. In Balto Star's case, he just didn't show up at all and turned in non-efforts the first 3 times he raced.