Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

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Originally Posted by Riot

No. The Jim Crow voter discrimination tests were exactly "civics" tests. See the example I posted.



Do you think Jim Crow tests were the right thing to do?



Who is taking a pass on learning something? American students all take junior high school American history and civics class. You have to pass US civics to advance to the next grade.

You were supposed to learn this in Junior High school!

Apparently some can't remember our disgraceful voting rights and civil rights embarrassments as a country.

You said this

Voting is not a privilege. Voting is a Constitution Right. Those two things are not the same. The only requirement for voting in this country is to be an American Citizen. There are not requirements for color of skin, not age, not "education", not wealth, not ability to drive (have a photo ID), not ability to bank (have a photo ID), not ability to work, not ability to read.

You just have to be an American citizen. You have to fit nobody's "requirements" but our Constitution.

You honestly believe that because kids "pass" a civics class they have learned something?
You know very little about our education system.
http://community.heywhateversocial.i...405/22914.html
Enjoy.

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I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

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Originally Posted by Riot

Our Supreme Court has already said your idea is unconstitutional. Thank God.

No comment on foreigners wishing to become citizens actually having to learn something before getting to vote?
Being a citizen of the United States is a privilege and the rights that go along with it should be treated the same way.

I like the idea of a citizen/resident policy.
Citizens pay taxes, contribute, educate themselves, serve the country in the military or other civic duties and therefore get to choose who runs things.
Residents live and sometimes work here. Path to citizenship-see above.

Citizens United, still think the Supreme court is perfect?

[Riot]

I like the idea of a citizen/resident policy.
Citizens pay taxes, contribute, educate themselves, serve the country in the military or other civic duties and therefore get to choose who runs things.
Residents live and sometimes work here. Path to citizenship-see above.

Citizens United, still think the Supreme court is perfect?

If you are unhappy with our current Constitution, especially the most fundamental right that founded this country, and you wish to overthrow our Constitution and replace it with a plutocracy or meritocracy, I'm not buying.

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Originally Posted by Riot

If you are unhappy with our current Constitution, especially the most fundamental right that founded this country, and you wish to overthrow our Constitution and replace it with a plutocracy or meritocracy, I'm not buying.

I do wish to overthrow our government, pretty much the whole thing, all branches, both parties, and go back to using the Constitution to run the country. As opposed to "interpreting" it (last I checked it is in English) to make whatever you want it to say feasible as is done now.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I am suggesting it be a privilege, earned by demonstrating a desire to at least understand something about the system of government used here.

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.

Whoa - that's not about civics, and that is overtly anti-Constitutional: you just want to eliminate participation by people whose extreme political views you personally disagree with.

and go back to using the Constitution to run the country.

You aren't even following the Constitution with your suggestion on voting by merit.

This is a democracy. We have a Constitution that we follow. All are created equal. Every citizen can vote, even radical anarchists and KKK members, and even people "on the far ends" that you think need to be "re-educated".

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Originally Posted by Riot

Whoa - that's not about civics, and that is overtly anti-Constitutional: you just want to eliminate participation by people whose extreme political views you personally disagree with.



You aren't even following the Constitution with your suggestion on voting by merit.

This is a democracy. We have a Constitution that we follow. All are created equal. Every citizen can vote, even radical anarchists and KKK members, and even people "on the far ends" that you think need to be "re-educated".

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

All are created equal and do not stay that way for very long. Voting by merit sounds like a good idea actually. You should have to earn all rights, nothing should be granted to you simply by birth.
Except of course, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
This is a constitutional republic not a democracy.

Ah - you do not want democracy, nor a constitutional republic. And unfortunately, you want those that "earn rights" to only be those that agree with you. I hate to break it to you, but all American citizens have the right to vote. It is their birthright as a citizen. Even citizens you don't personally like. Thank God for that. This country is great because it embraces diversity and individuality.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

i agree on all counts. slippery slope indeed and would need to be very careful with the writing.

That said it is the far end of both spectrum that have ruined this system and those are the ones I would like be to be eliminated from the process or educated back in.
They say the fundraising decides the office, that is sad and true. See it on TV and it even remotely resembles your beliefs and you (the collective you, not you personally) are on board.

i understand the frustration and agree that many voters will only listen to viewpoints that reinforce their own beliefs. but i can't get on board with a new version of a literacy test. the history isn't pretty and i don't see any reason to think it wouldn't be abused again.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

if you're serious, you're in slippery slope land. a basic civics test might end voting privleges for the most uniformed but that would certainly include the average fox viewer.

probably the average jersey shore viewer...well, the list could go on and on.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Danzig

probably the average jersey shore viewer...well, the list could go on and on.

i'm betting the average jersey shore viewer doesn't know there's an election, much less actually vote.

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Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'm betting the average jersey shore viewer doesn't know there's an election, much less actually vote.

Lets hope they just forget to vote.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/22/sn...our-president/