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[Scav]

1) I think its a slippery slope when you believe Penn National numbers, its like believing Lone Star #s

2) like Cm said, the people that we need to care dont, and horseman are trying, look at that match race last night at Penn, think that was coincidence

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Scav

1) I think its a slippery slope when you believe Penn National numbers, its like believing Lone Star #s

Not at all.

Penn National is one of the more straight-forward tracks for speed figure making.

They are very cut and dry all the time at Penn National.

Golden Gate is a track that is brutal for figure making -- the track repeatedly changes speed throughout the day. It's a first class pain in the ass and you're on your toes and guessing because of the small fields, the way the main track changes speed all the time, and the way they card a mix of turf and syn, not to mention sometimes they'll run two different baby races with all FTS.

Now, from GG, they go to PLN. A dirt surface where the vast majority of horses are exiting rubber form.

[10 pnt move up]

Speaking of super trainers..........is it me or have they disappeared a bit in socal? Mullins, Ted West, Dough Oneill.....who all were some of the more suspicious guys have been pedestrian for a while now.

Maybe its the elimination of the claiming races there at all but the lowest levels?

Maybe there are some new guys I am unaware of.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Speaking of super trainers..........is it me or have they disappeared a bit in socal? Mullins, Ted West, Dough Oneill.....who all were some of the more suspicious guys have been pedestrian for a while now.

Maybe its the elimination of the claiming races there at all but the lowest levels?

Maybe there are some new guys I am unaware of.

I don't think Ted West and O'Neill ever arroused any strong suspicion from serious people. Especially Ted West.

Mullins is still getting it done. He's winning at 24% this year and his new horses are overachieving all of the time. Even with his bodybuilding distractions, he's doing the work of a God with what he has.

Mullins and Mike Mitchell have been the leading alchmeists of the So. Cal circuit for a great long while now.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I don't think Ted West and O'Neill ever arroused any strong suspicion from serious people. Especially Ted West.

Mullins is still getting it done. He's winning at 24% this year and his new horses are overachieving all of the time. Even with his bodybuilding distractions, he's doing the work of a God with what he has.

Mullins and Mike Mitchell have been the leading alchmeists of the So. Cal circuit for a great long while now.

West won at like 30% a few years back, I got a few good West stories.

I forgot about Mitchell, but it feels as if his horse move ups are not nearly as pronounced.

I was with Mitchell and a friend of mine who claimed a horse for 20k or so and moved him to 50k (back when those #'s meant something at Del Mar) and there was little doubt he was going to win (it ended up being very close), and we all scored out at 9/1.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

to me the problem in as far as ness and dutrow and involved. the sport has no reciprocal Jurisdiction in these matters.get caught..no biggie ill appeal..and still run, still win. owners dont care hes winning. why should the reporters ie drf ect keep raising the question and over and over again nothing is done.until we have a commissioner in racing that has absolute power in regards to drug positives that carrys over in all tracks in the us we will never have a level playing field.yes we can achieve this.a standardized testing procedure would have to be set up.imo starting a racehorse should be privilege not a right. especialy when people are gambling on them..

my 2c

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

to me the problem in as far as ness and dutrow and involved. the sport has no reciprocal Jurisdiction in these matters.get caught..no biggie ill appeal..and still run, still win. owners dont care hes winning. why should the reporters ie drf ect keep raising the question and over and over again nothing is done.until we have a commissioner in racing that has absolute power in regards to drug positives that carrys over in all tracks in the us we will never have a level playing field.yes we can achieve this.a standardized testing procedure would have to be set up.imo starting a racehorse should be privilege not a right. especialy when people are gambling on them..

my 2c

states generally reciprocate tho. if you're suspended in one, typically other states consider you suspended as well.
the one thing i don't care for is the endless appeals process. then there are court stays, etc. or those who defend a trainer when he gets caught, again. 'but he's a nice guy' they say. yeah, not all bad guys have bad attitudes. roger goodell isn't well-liked in my house right now (hubby is po'd at him, tony's a saints fan) but just think if we had a commish? especially one with some cajones. just think...no, patrick biancone, you're not welcome here any more. assman-yeah, you're done...etc, etc.
have some rules with real teeth, real sentences, fines, suspensions (not vacations)....run the cheaters out. owners can still own, and you might draw more of them in because they'd feel they had a level playing field. and they'd have to hire a clean trainer! who loses in that situation? just the cheaters.
ah, one can dream....

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not at all.

Penn National is one of the more straight-forward tracks for speed figure making.

They are very cut and dry all the time at Penn National.

Golden Gate is a track that is brutal for figure making -- the track repeatedly changes speed throughout the day. It's a first class pain in the ass and you're on your toes and guessing because of the small fields, the way the main track changes speed all the time, and the way they card a mix of turf and syn, not to mention sometimes they'll run two different baby races with all FTS.

Now, from GG, they go to PLN. A dirt surface where the vast majority of horses are exiting rubber form.

I stand corrected.