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07-08-2012, 08:50 PM
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Blaming the media for a Jamie Ness isn't the most logical thing. Ness was a sports writer himself and worked in the press box at Canterbury. He doesn't care what anyone writes about him. You can make jokes in front of other people with him listening about the Jamie Ness move where horses re-break, he'll laugh about it. You can go up to a TV screen he's watching and yell "kick in with the juice! kick in with the Ness JUICE!" as his horse is closing to win a race. He'll smile or act like he doesn't hear it. The stewards, track managment, and racing officals are where the blame should start. Look at when Ness ran the wrong horse here, a KY bred in a PA Bred race no less, not only did they not suspend him... but the fine was only like $500. 
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07-08-2012, 09:21 PM
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It fries my ass to see a racing secretary give 50, 60, 70 and more stalls to guys like Ness. The claim is - "...they fill races...". Couldn't be more short-sighted and untrue. Ness/ Midwest bring nothing to the table but other owner's horses they have claimed. Instead of 7 different owners running their horses in a $10k claimer at Laurel, Ness will have 2 entered, and then claim another one out of the race. Next time the race goes with 1 less horse, Ness has 2 more entered, and claims another one. Next time the race doesn't go with 5 entered and management doesn't understand why. It's because Ness has half the horses, stupid - but give him 10 more stalls.... Ness/Midwest kills races, just like Gill did back in the day. The middle claiming races all but disappeared years ago in MD. Why? Because Gill claimed all the horses at the level and then moved 'em out of town when races didn't go. It's like deja vu' all over again..... Give him 10 more stalls. Why does the racing media not stand up and make this an issue? Oh yeah - there's a Pick 6 carry-over at Hollywood.....gotta get down.... Last edited by phystech : 07-10-2012 at 04:10 PM.
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07-08-2012, 09:28 PM
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In New York, they tried to go very hard after Rick Dutrow Jr. They found a way to snipe Juan Carlos Guerrero at Parx. They ran Gill out of town.
Those three are realtive choir boys compared to someone like a Scooter Davis who has stayed at minor leauge slots tracks despite a lundry list of major violations, major move-ups, and repeated 29th chances to stay out of trouble. Write a letter to the stewards and other racing officals...or just give in and use those guys as trainers.
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07-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120711&RN=4 He got him from Marc Shuman.
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07-11-2012, 06:40 PM
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07-11-2012, 07:20 PM
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I will when I come back tonight.
Rest assured, it wasn't as big a move-up as this one ...  Nor when he claimed Deadly Dealer for 5K in a race where DD got smoked and ran like a 12 Beyer and transformed him to the DD of Pletcher days.
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07-12-2012, 06:08 PM
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__________________
" I may leave here empty handed, but you aren't going anywhere "
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07-08-2012, 09:39 PM
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07-08-2012, 09:43 PM
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 ) writes an article talking about everything you mention here, and you're going on (day two) about a horse getting claimed from you. Who's the clown, bro? No one likes what Ness does. You're preaching to the choir here. The media isn't going to change this IMO. It's up to the tracks. And when Ness is gone, another five are going to pop up in his place. If you are looking towards the media to help clean up the game, you're wasting your time.
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07-08-2012, 09:50 PM
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07-08-2012, 10:03 PM
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Filly got an 81 Beyer Fri night off a previous non-Ness best of 58 at Parx. Check the split times for her race - she never slowed down under a hand ride. Freak performance for a horse I owned, know, touched, saw radiographs of, etc. Simply wasn't a better horsemen's training effort, better placement, better jock - as an owner and bettor, what happened isn't acceptable or explainable. But I respect your suggestion that the racing media won't do anything. I completely agree..... guess that's the saddest part of all and the point of my rant. Last edited by phystech : 07-08-2012 at 10:18 PM.
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07-08-2012, 10:27 PM
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I understand the frustration. We all have it. But you are barking up the wrong tree. The people that can do something don't care.
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07-08-2012, 10:27 PM
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Getting off the Ness subject...
here is a cut from an old DRF column that shows the amusing gossip and entertaining stories they would routinely write. This is from a piece about horses who were expensive purchases and flopped. $20,000 in the 1890's is close to about $500,000 today adjusted for inflation. James R. Keene was one of the most powerful men on Wall Street, he owned several Hall of Fame horses, owned the winner of six different Belmont Stakes, and died worth a staggering $15 million in 1913. Here is an amusing story about how an illiterate, black, 2nd string trainer of his got him to pay $20,000 for a horse he owned after he scared him into thinking he would beat "The Black Whirlwind" Domino. Domino was a Hall of Famer who racked up $193,550 in earnings in the 1890's.    
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07-08-2012, 10:35 PM
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1) I think its a slippery slope when you believe Penn National numbers, its like believing Lone Star #s
2) like Cm said, the people that we need to care dont, and horseman are trying, look at that match race last night at Penn, think that was coincidence
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07-09-2012, 12:23 AM
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Here's a DRF article with a more in depth discussion of how the sale went down. Hyder Abad purchase. Hyderabad/Hyder Abad (depending on how they felt like spelling it that day) went for $400 as a yearling. That's around $10,000 in today's money. $30,000 would be roughly $775,000 today. Nice pinhook. From the article it sure sounds like the colt put on a show in a workout that made Keene scared enough to take it seriously.
Hyderabad/Hyder Abad apparently fell in the mud in the Futurity and nearly caused Domino to fall as well. Cooper seemed to think his colt would've won had he not fallen and the jockey spoke highly of the colt's effort before the incident. Something tells me it's not just blowing smoke up someone's arse. Overconfidence? Not sure, but I think Cooper believed it. Hyder Abad must not've broken down though because DRF's got at least one son I could find. Who knows who else because he clearly wasn't successful at stud. I can't figure out the breeding of the mare. The colt's name is Sheik, born 1896 out of Musical Gem by Dan Godfrey. Can't seem to find her dam's name.
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07-09-2012, 07:04 AM
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 That's the problem with whining threads. You have to make up your mind. are you going to whine, or gloat? Can't do both. Again, you're preaching to the choir here. You're a bigshot though. Can't you make something happen?
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07-09-2012, 08:21 AM
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I'm not defending Ness, but there are some trainers that claim a horse and make changes, getting improved results. I'm not saying he didn't JUICE her, but he took off front wraps, could've changed the diet, changed dist., etc.
This happens when a few trainers claims horses, then makes changes, just as some horses get claimed and run worse than before.
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