Weekend Stakes Beyers: Royal Delta 110

[Calzone Lord]

The performances of Royal Delta and Game On Dude since returning from Dubai are interesting.

In the days of Nad Al Sheba and dirt -- our horses would go over and run their guts out and dominate. Some of the ones who ran huge would come back and fire a couple more good ones, while others wouldn't. You'd have to hear about the so-called 'Dubai bounce'

Royal Delta and Game On Dude just did the reverse -- they got clowned by international grass horses on tapeta -- and both of them came right back here and ran dramatically well.

Maybe the phrase 'Dubai bounce' will be replaced with 'Dubai Non-effort'

Yeah that foreign lady on HRTV mentioned that.

[my miss storm cat]

I just wanted to mention something re the Dubai bounce.

Ambitious Dragon... Horse of the Year, 2011
Good Ba Ba... Horse of the Year, 2008.
Vengeance of Rain... Horse of the Year, 2007.
Bullish Luck... Horse of the Year, 2006.
Beauty Flash... multiple G1 winner.
Russian Pearl, G1 winner.
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The thing these champions of HK racing have in common? Not one of them won a single race since returning from Dubai.

Beauty Flash has run 11 times since Dubai (including today), 7 for Good Ba Ba, 5 for Vengeance of Rain, Ambitious Dragon 2, Bullish Luck 5 times and 5 for Russian Pearl.

I didn't used to think there was a bounce.

I don't know what this is but it's not good.

Just sayin.

[Indian Charlie]

But, how does one account for the sudden great form Godolphin horses show once they've returned back to the USA from Dubai?

Allah's blessing?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

But, how does one account for the sudden great form Godolphin horses show once they've returned back to the USA from Dubai?

Hope you're not asking me cutie cause the ruination of Cutlass Bay was the last straw. Don't know, don't care, and apologies to anyone I fought with defending them. I was wrong.

Maybe some wannabe sheikh can answer.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Allah's blessing?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Hope you're not asking me cutie cause the ruination of Cutlass Bay was the last straw. Don't know, don't care, and apologies to anyone I fought with defending them. I was wrong.

Maybe some wannabe sheikh can answer.

You do know I was being facetious, right?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

You do know I was being facetious, right?

Yeah just like I'm sure you know if I have a chance of getting in a wannabe sheikh post I'll take it.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I just wanted to mention something re the Dubai bounce.

Ambitious Dragon... Horse of the Year, 2011
Good Ba Ba... Horse of the Year, 2008.
Vengeance of Rain... Horse of the Year, 2007.
Bullish Luck... Horse of the Year, 2006.
Beauty Flash... multiple G1 winner.
Russian Pearl, G1 winner.
.
The thing these champions of HK racing have in common? Not one of them won a single race since returning from Dubai.

Beauty Flash has run 11 times since Dubai (including today), 7 for Good Ba Ba, 5 for Vengeance of Rain, Ambitious Dragon 2, Bullish Luck 5 times and 5 for Russian Pearl.

I didn't used to think there was a bounce.

I don't know what this is but it's not good.

Just sayin.

Please.

[my miss storm cat]

No redboarding today?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The performances of Royal Delta and Game On Dude since returning from Dubai are interesting.

In the days of Nad Al Sheba and dirt -- our horses would go over and run their guts out and dominate. Some of the ones who ran huge would come back and fire a couple more good ones, while others wouldn't. You'd have to hear about the so-called 'Dubai bounce'

Royal Delta and Game On Dude just did the reverse -- they got clowned by international grass horses on tapeta -- and both of them came right back here and ran dramatically well.

Maybe the phrase 'Dubai bounce' will be replaced with 'Dubai Non-effort'

i figure that ultimately dubai will have done american racing a favor by installing that surface. perhaps it will mean a return to greatness for the big cap out west, oaklawn needs to infuse some money into their premier older horse race...i can see top dirt horses skipping the trip-what's the point? they're helpless on that surface.
now, dullahan-that horse needs to go over next year.

[pmayjr]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i figure that ultimately dubai will have done american racing a favor by installing that surface. perhaps it will mean a return to greatness for the big cap out west, oaklawn needs to infuse some money into their premier older horse race...i can see top dirt horses skipping the trip-what's the point? they're helpless on that surface.
now, dullahan-that horse needs to go over next year.

Do I need to open the can of worms about how none of the US horses could be on lasix over there lol? I wanna think that had something to do with all of them getting pummeled at this past World Cup Day.

Although Chantal said that Game on Dude hated the heavy surface and never responded.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Although Chantal said that Game on Dude hated the heavy surface and never responded.

Well that clears it up.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Do I need to open the can of worms about how none of the US horses could be on lasix over there lol? I wanna think that had something to do with all of them getting pummeled at this past World Cup Day.

Although Chantal said that Game on Dude hated the heavy surface and never responded.

Game On Dude was horribly compromised by the outside draw, and more so, was given an atrocious ride - she absolutely had to send him, and she didn't. Then, channeling her inner-Mirco Demuro, thought..."I saw last year's race, where he was towards the rear early and caught everyone napping on a slow pace, so let me make a move toward the lead down the back."

Only problem was, the 2012 DWC pace was about 1 second faster through the first 1/4, and about 3.2 seconds faster through the first half. Never had a chance.

Meanwhile, Lezcano got Royal Delta in all sorts of trouble, and while she looked like she was loving every second of being in Dubai, just got bullied and jostled in the race. Lezcano got slammed at every turn by riders who were used to being in that type of race. Partly why I'm not surprised for the rider change.

Lasix...maybe had something to do with it, but once the gates opened and the race played out, both GOD and Royal Delta were up against it (coming from someone who picked Royal Delta on top).

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Do I need to open the can of worms about how none of the US horses could be on lasix over there lol? I wanna think that had something to do with all of them getting pummeled at this past World Cup Day.

Although Chantal said that Game on Dude hated the heavy surface and never responded.

is that a new rule, or has it always been that way? seems the us horses only started struggling once the new surface went in.

[Calzone Lord]

Lasix never mattered for our good horses who went over and mopped them all up on dirt most every single year.

If I'm still alive, I'll probably be 55 years old before another one of our horses wins the Dubai World Cup.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Lasix never mattered for our good horses who went over and mopped them all up on dirt most every single year.

If I'm still alive, I'll probably be 55 years old before another one of our horses wins the Dubai World Cup.

I still think people don't realize how close Gio Ponti came to winning it twice, and got terrible rides both years.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

I still think people don't realize how close Gio Ponti came to winning it twice, and got terrible rides both years.

But i'm sure Doug never considered Gio one of our good dirt horses. I'm sure we might send over a synthetic freak that will win it one day...

[pointman]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Do I need to open the can of worms about how none of the US horses could be on lasix over there lol? I wanna think that had something to do with all of them getting pummeled at this past World Cup Day.

Although Chantal said that Game on Dude hated the heavy surface and never responded.

It is not like U.S. horses did well when they had dirt there and couldn't race on Lasix. The Tapeta must have nothing to do with the recent U.S. performances, it must be that they can't race when they are not on that performance enhancing Lasix! That's the ticket!