1973 Preakness (UPDATE: Maryland accepts 1:53.0)

somerfrost · #1 06-13-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

and there's some who criticize native dancer because he never faced tom fool. not exactly consistent....
and yeah, you catch hell for kincsem for good reason.

So Cal Cool (for those who remember him) and I are the only two who respect Kincsem...different eras are always subjective (was Ty Cobb better than Pete Rose?).

Danzig · #2 06-13-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

So Cal Cool (for those who remember him) and I are the only two who respect Kincsem...different eras are always subjective (was Ty Cobb better than Pete Rose?).

i remember socal...but it's difficult enough comparing two horses who ran during the same time period...it's impossible with a hungarian mare who's more myth than reality.

slotdirt · #3 06-13-2012, 04:39 PM

I don't doubt that Kincsem was awesome, but saying she is in the top five ever would be like calling Cap Anson the best player ever because he killed NL pitching in the 1880's.

somerfrost · #4 06-13-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't doubt that Kincsem was awesome, but saying she is in the top five ever would be like calling Cap Anson the best player ever because he killed NL pitching in the 1880's.

Exactly! What is the way one measures greatness? It's purely subjective...hell, the Bid and Secretariat never faced each other. Kincsem dominated European racing the way no other horse has...one either looks at her and sees a truly great horse...or not!

tiggerv · #5 06-13-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Both horses were incredible on their day -- and both proven on turf (however much you value that)

Curious how much weight you give turf success? It's one of the reasons why I have Dr. Fager above Bid. I don't think even Bid could have matched Dr. Fager's last three races as a 4yo:

Breaks world record at a mile (132 1/5) while carrying 134. Ran 2nd quarter in 20 1/5.
Wins the 9.5F United Nations on grass while giving two time turf horse of the year, Ft Marcy, 16 lbs. He was 1/5 off track record on soggy turf
Breaks the track record in the 7F Vosburgh by over a second (120 1/5) while carrying 139

Calzone Lord · #6 06-13-2012, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt

I don't doubt that Kincsem was awesome, but saying she is in the top five ever would be like calling Cap Anson the best player ever because he killed NL pitching in the 1880's.

The respected European racing writers of old don't see her as one of their top horses.