1973 Preakness (UPDATE: Maryland accepts 1:53.0)

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Colin. Man O' War. Personal Ensign, Landaluce. None that had anything close to his body of work.

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Thanks for the History lesson today, very informative, and interesting, I have to find Native Dancer as a two yr old.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by FATPIANO

Thanks for the History lesson today, very informative, and interesting, I have to find Native Dancer as a two yr old.

He was 10-for-10 as a 2-year-old and had fast numbers.




It's really way too difficult to rate the best 2-year-olds of all-time.

Some of the great 2yo's like Secretariat and Spectacular Bid weren't good gate horses early on -- and both of them could be had going real short because of immaturity and bad initial gate habits.

Some of the most sensational 2yo's going 5 furlongs and 6 furlongs had trouble staying a mile or further.

[FATPIANO]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He was 10-for-10 as a 2-year-old and had fast numbers.




It's really way too difficult to rate the best 2-year-olds of all-time.

Some of the great 2yo's like Secretariat and Spectacular Bid weren't good gate horses early on -- and both of them could be had going real short because of immaturity and bad initial gate habits.

Some of the most sensational 2yo's going 5 furlongs and 6 furlongs had trouble staying a mile or further.

Wow, he was a BEAST. was the Derby his only loss?

[Calzone Lord]

Yes.

Pretty much every single racehorse today has Native Dancer blood in it.

He sired Raise A Native (sire of both Mr. Prospector and Alydar) and he was the dam sire of Northern Dancer.

Discovery was the dam sire of both Native Dancer and Bold Ruler. Needless to say, Discovery is in pretty much every single pedigree of every single current race horse at least once. Ruffian was extremely in-bred to Discovery. He appeared 3 different times in her up-close pedigree.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Pretty much every single racehorse today has Native Dancer blood in it.

He sired Raise A Native (sire of both Mr. Prospector and Alydar) and he was the dam sire of Northern Dancer.

RAN also sired Exclusive Native (Affirmed/Genuine Risk), Majestic Prince and more.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Pretty much every single racehorse today has Native Dancer blood in it.

Trivia:

Who was the last horse that was not a descendant of Native Dancer to win the Kentucky Derby?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Trivia:

Who was the last horse that was not a descendant of Native Dancer to win the Kentucky Derby?

Just way off the top of my head, Sunday Silence?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Just way off the top of my head, Sunday Silence?

More recent

[Indian Charlie]

Giacomo.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He was 10-for-10 as a 2-year-old and had fast numbers.




It's really way too difficult to rate the best 2-year-olds of all-time.

Some of the great 2yo's like Secretariat and Spectacular Bid weren't good gate horses early on -- and both of them could be had going real short because of immaturity and bad initial gate habits.

Some of the most sensational 2yo's going 5 furlongs and 6 furlongs had trouble staying a mile or further.

The American Derby at Was was worth 4x the purse value of the Travers. I've never even heard of 'Was'!