Wisconsin Recall

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Show me the bill proposing tax cuts for the wealthy where it is written that they will be paid for by pension funds. No such thing exists, sheep.

Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:



Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

You said what you said. I said Walker's budget. You say that's not true. Then you went off in a frenzy of parsing. Believe whatever you wish to believe Your beliefs have no effect on what Walker's budget actually did to people.

You are saying that Walker's budget did not cut state contributions to pension funds? Yes or no? The answer is factually yes.

You are saying Walkers budget didn't have tax cuts? The answer is factually yes, it did.

Did the money the state save from pensions and benefits go to pay for the tax cuts? In the face of a massive budget deficit? The reason that pensions and benefits "had" to be cut? Yes, factually, that money did cover the tax cuts. Not the deficit.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You said what you said. I said Walker's budget. You say that's not true. Then you went off in a frenzy of parsing. Believe whatever you wish to believe Your beliefs have no effect on what Walker's budget actually did to people.

You are saying that Walker's budget did not cut state contributions to pension funds? Yes or no?

Logic and math are not welcome here.

"Proof is whatever I say it is." - Liberal in a debate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Logic and math are not welcome here.

"Proof is whatever I say it is." - Clip Clop in a debate.

FTFY

BTW, I am not "liberal"

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

FTFY

BTW, I am not "liberal"

I ask for proof, you say look here. I actually go and look and it isnt there. You say no not there over here etc. etc.
Providing only your opinion as proof of what you say, if something is in a budget it is written in there. Show everyone and prove your self right.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You said what you said. I said Walker's budget. You say that's not true. Then you went off in a frenzy of parsing. Believe whatever you wish to believe Your beliefs have no effect on what Walker's budget actually did to people.

You are saying that Walker's budget did not cut state contributions to pension funds? Yes or no? The answer is factually yes.

You are saying Walkers budget didn't have tax cuts? The answer is factually yes, it did.

Did the money the state save from pensions and benefits go to pay for the tax cuts? In the face of a massive budget deficit? The reason that pensions and benefits "had" to be cut? Yes, factually, that money did cover the tax cuts. Not the deficit.

Proof from the written document please.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Proof from the written document please.

You are seriously "demanding written proof" that Scott Walker's budget cut the state's contributions to union pension funds? And gave tax cuts?

BWAAAAAAAA ! You're a loon

Ask Wiphan. And Pointman. And Dell. And the Milwaukee-Journal Sentinel. And Act 10. Look - as I've told you to before - where Walker himself has said the money has gone. Look what fund the money has been placed into. They have all pointed out that has happened. We've sorta been discussing it for some months now? They can explain it to you

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You are seriously "demanding written proof" that Scott Walker's budget cut the state's contributions to union pension funds? And gave tax cuts?

BWAAAAAAAA ! You're a loon

Ask Wiphan. And Pointman. And Dell. And the Milwaukee-Journal Sentinel. And Act 10. Look - as I've told you to before - where Walker himself has said the money has gone. Look what fund the money has been placed into. They have all pointed out that has happened. We've sorta been discussing it for some months now? They can explain it to you

Tax cuts for the wealthy and used the specific SAVINGS from asking normal people to contribute to their retirements.

Why aren't you attacking Jerry Brown or Chuck Reed or Cuomo or John Scibak for doing the exact same thing?

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

I hope you realize that you are dealing with a moving target.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by pointman

I hope you realize that you are dealing with a moving target.

I know, I have been down this road too many times and it always ends the same way. Just a slow day at the office. Thursdays are always quiet here.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I know, I have been down this road too many times and it always ends the same way. Just a slow day at the office. Thursdays are always quiet here.

As an employer, I'll note that you are an interesting representation of the quality of today's work force.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

As an employer, I'll note that you are an interesting representation of the quality of today's work force.

As an owner of two companies and an employer of a great many folks, I am entitled to as many slow days as I can get. See I am non-union and therefore have to often work more than 40 hours a week!! Sometimes even on weekends.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

I hope you realize that you are dealing with a moving target.

in games, it's called whack a mole. good luck, and bring a big mallet.