Wisconsin Recall

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. Read the Walker Budget. Who got tax cuts? Who paid for it? This budget already exists. It's right there for you. It caused the recalls. Again - you pretending it doesn't exist unless you find one legal document that has actual language that says in one sentence, "we will cut taxes for the rich by taking pension money" is laughably obtuse. Let alone naive.

Read the budgets. Who got tax cuts in Wisconsin under this budget? Who gets income cuts (via pension and benefit cuts) to make up the difference? It's not that hard for most people to see. It's the reason for the Wisconsin recalls.

Read the Ryan budget. Who gets tax cuts? Who pays for it?

You read the budgets and post the language to defend your side, that is how this works. I do not say word number 245,032 in War & Peace is "the" and you say prove it and my response is go count it. I need to prove it or be dismissed.
You are dismissed due to an inability to ever prove your argument with any written word other than "ALEC", "Koch bros." or your own opinion.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Read the United States Tax Code. Trollololoooolololol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XZGHOxnCto

If you look for it you will see it very clearly, just start looking.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You read the budgets and post the language to defend your side, that is how this works.

Yes. In the Walker budget - a budget under a massive deficit - public employees got their pensions and benefits cut, and a certain segment of the population got tax cuts. That is all imaginary. You deny it even occurred (although we just had, you know, two sets of recall elections over it).

And the two are completely unassociated.

You are right. It didn't occur. Even though that money, no longer taken out of union dues, goes into ... what fund?

How about this as a conclusion to the thread? You lost. TROLLOLOLOLOL!

http://youtu.be/gkfVdrtLcRs

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by wiphan

while most republicans never hope for failure regardless of who is in charge and do not cheer for bad news.

are you schittin me!..you were j/k right?

[Clip-Clop]

dismissed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

How about this as a conclusion to the thread? You lost. TROLLOLOLOLOL!

http://youtu.be/gkfVdrtLcRs

Lost? That Scott Walker cut union pensions and benefits to put that money into his budget and that paid for tax cuts for the wealthy?

Yeah. Don't think so.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

dismissed.

Let's get this straight: You deny that Gov. Scott Walker cut union contributions? And that money saved by the state goes into making up Walker's budget deficit? And that Walker also gave tax cuts out of that very budget?

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

How about this as a conclusion to the thread? You lost. TROLLOLOLOLOL!

http://youtu.be/gkfVdrtLcRs

This needs to be the official DT response to Riot when she finally spins out of control and hits the wall after 3 pages of her psychotically trying to defending her indefensible position.

Somebody just throw down the Trolololo guy x10 hours link and no one else responds.


Steve's bandwith budget will appreciate the savings, I'm certain

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

This needs to be the official DT response to Riot when she finally spins out of control and hits the wall after 3 pages of her psychotically trying to defending her indefensible position.

Somebody just to throw down the Trolololo guy x10 hours link and no one else responds.


Steve's bandwith budget will appreciate the savings, I'm certain

Hey, as long as we can do that with our resident looney conspiracy theorists, too, works for me

[pointman]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...VdrtLcRs&gl=US

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by pointman

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop...VdrtLcRs&gl=US

Better yet - let's just link this image:

[Riot]

Sometimes, you just have to consider the source ...

[Rudeboyelvis]

[Riot]

Dear American Voters:

Your participation in elections is no longer needed. From now on, the Fortune 500 will simply choose directly whom they wish to run the country.

(CBS News) Outside groups spent at least $33 million the Wisconsin recall race - at least six times the money groups spent the first time Republican Scott Walker and Democrat Tom Barrett squared off just two years ago.

Mike McCabe, who tracks campaign spending for the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign predicts that when all the donations have been reported, the candidates and independent groups will have spent between $75 and $80 million on this race.

By comparison, in the 2010 Wisconsin gubernatorial race featuring the same two candidates, the total spending was $37.4 million, according to Wisconsin Democracy Campaign (WDC), an independent campaign funding watchdog. And there was only $6 million in spending by outside groups, according to the National Institute on Money in State Politics.

The spike in outside spending began last year, in the first round of recall elections, when 9 of the 33 Wisconsin state senators fought for their jobs. Outside groups spent $44 million.

With three weeks to go, as of May 21, the last disclosure deadline before recall election day, Walker had raised $30.5 million, while Tom Barrett had raised $3.9 million, according to public disclosure reports tallied by the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign.

The reason Walker could exceed the state's legal limit on donations of $10,000 per donor is due to a 1987 loophole (pushed by a former state legislator who later ran afoul of the law) providing an exception for any incumbent targeted by a recall.

As a result, Walker received-seven-figure donations from 3 of the nation's top 10 Super PAC donors as well as from Wisconsin's richest woman.

Houston homebuilder Bob Perry and Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Aldeson, who have given millions to super PACs, each gave walker $250,000. Wyoming investor Foster Friess, who bankrolled Rick Santorum's presidential campaign, gave $100,000.

The donors bankrolling the 2012 super PACs

Wisconsin billionaire Diane Hendricks gave Walker $500,000. Henrdicks is head of the nation's largest roofing and siding company ABC Supply. She is worth $2.2 billion and she ranks #188 on the Forbes 400.

Of $33.2 million spent by outside groups, according to WDC, $24.7 million from independent expenditure groups and $8.5 million from advocacy groups that run what are euphemistically called issue ads.

The top outside groups for Walker were:

Right Direction Wisconsin, created by the Republican Governor's Association (RGA), which gave $8.7 million.

Billionaire David Koch, one of the main backers of Americans for Prosperity. He gave $1 million to the RGA.

Americans For Prosperity, a conservative group linked to David and his brother Charles Koch, spent $3 million. Tim Phillips, president of Americans for prosperity told CBS News that beyond airing ads, his group sent 75 trained staffers into Wisconsin to knock on doors for Walker.

"They're on their way back to states like Florida and Michigan and Colorado and Ohio, and they're going to keep doing the same grassroots work, educating folks on President Obama's disastrous economic record and what folks can do about it," Phillips said in an interview.

"I think it was genuinely a big test case for can you take on the biggest special interest group - government unions - in one of their core states, Wisconsin, and win with a free market message? And Governor Walker proved that you can," he said.

Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce (affiliated with the Chamber of Commerce), spent $2 million for Walker.

The anti-union Center for Union Facts spent $1 million, the National Rifle Association spent $800,000, and the Tea Party Express spent $400,000.

The top outside groups for Barrett was Greater Wisconsin Political Expenditure Fund, which is a consortium of Democratic Party groups, which spent a combined $7.3 million.

AFSCME, the union that represents government workers, spent at least $4.3 million, while the AFL-CIO raised $1.25 million and the teachers union, the NEA, spent $1.1 million. The SEIU spent $920,000.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by bigrun

are you schittin me!..you were j/k right?

Love to see reactions especially from Riot.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's get this straight: You deny that Gov. Scott Walker cut union contributions? And that money saved by the state goes into making up Walker's budget deficit? And that Walker also gave tax cuts out of that very budget?

Did Walker cut the union contributions or did he give the union members a choice whether they wanted to be part of the union or not? I thought as a democrat you would be all for giving the people the freedom to choose. Did Walker eliminate a monopoly of WEAC on Health Insurance again giving the school districts the right to choose?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Did Walker cut the union contributions or did he give the union members a choice whether they wanted to be part of the union or not? I thought as a democrat you would be all for giving the people the freedom to choose. Did Walker eliminate a monopoly of WEAC on Health Insurance again giving the school districts the right to choose?

Go look it up...it is in Act 10, no wait it isn't...it is in the Walker budget...no wait it isn't...it is in the RYAN budget that's where all the decisions for Wisconsin are made.

You are naive.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Go look it up...it is in Act 10, no wait it isn't...it is in the Walker budget...no wait it isn't...it is in the RYAN budget that's where all the decisions for Wisconsin are made.

You are naive.

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

It was the cliffs notes version of the last 3 pages or so. Happy to help.