Wisconsin Recall

[Clip-Clop]

dismissed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

dismissed.

Let's get this straight: You deny that Gov. Scott Walker cut union contributions? And that money saved by the state goes into making up Walker's budget deficit? And that Walker also gave tax cuts out of that very budget?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's get this straight: You deny that Gov. Scott Walker cut union contributions? And that money saved by the state goes into making up Walker's budget deficit? And that Walker also gave tax cuts out of that very budget?

Did Walker cut the union contributions or did he give the union members a choice whether they wanted to be part of the union or not? I thought as a democrat you would be all for giving the people the freedom to choose. Did Walker eliminate a monopoly of WEAC on Health Insurance again giving the school districts the right to choose?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Did Walker cut the union contributions or did he give the union members a choice whether they wanted to be part of the union or not? I thought as a democrat you would be all for giving the people the freedom to choose. Did Walker eliminate a monopoly of WEAC on Health Insurance again giving the school districts the right to choose?

Go look it up...it is in Act 10, no wait it isn't...it is in the Walker budget...no wait it isn't...it is in the RYAN budget that's where all the decisions for Wisconsin are made.

You are naive.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Go look it up...it is in Act 10, no wait it isn't...it is in the Walker budget...no wait it isn't...it is in the RYAN budget that's where all the decisions for Wisconsin are made.

You are naive.

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

It was the cliffs notes version of the last 3 pages or so. Happy to help.

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by wiphan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

Like...Ooh...Miy...Godd

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by OldDog

Like...Ooh...Miy...Godd

i couldn't watch the whole thing...i felt my grey matter starting to protest against the agony of absorbing thistle's words.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

So now we know what Riot looks like. Hopefully they are singing while waiting for that boat to Canada to pick them up.

It's not over yet, it is just the beginning, the same exit polls that said Barrett would win say Obama will win in November!

The denial is desperate, yet incredibly amusing.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

So now we know what Riot looks like. Hopefully they are singing while waiting for that boat to Canada to pick them up.

It's not over yet, it is just the beginning, the same exit polls that said Barrett would win say Obama will win in November!

The denial is desperate, yet incredibly amusing.

Not as desperate and incredibly amusing as the ramblings of our birthers

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Now I get it. The Path to Prosperity a budget proposal by Paul Ryan that has not been passed is the root cause of the destruction of the Unions in WI and now we will be forced to obey the large corporations and the Koch Brothers (who are not even in the top 50 of political donors in America) and the bill will provide Tax cuts to the wealthiest americans and corporations. Makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that one up

Did Riot move to WI to be part of the Solidarity singers?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

wow, thistle has a potty mouth. and to ask if it's over? hello, recall is definitely over.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by wiphan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6Qf...ature=youtu.be

Thank you for posting that link.

[Danzig]

i read today that walker is the first governor ever to survive a recall vote. hadn't realized that before...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Did Walker cut the union contributions or did he give the union members a choice whether they wanted to be part of the union or not?

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Can I see this in writing as proof too please?


dismissed.

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Show me the bill proposing tax cuts for the wealthy where it is written that they will be paid for by pension funds. No such thing exists, sheep.

Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes. You should read your own posts. You said:



Duh. It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts.

Dismissed.

That isn't what you said that I said, first of all. You claimed I said "nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor." I asked for proof of that. Not that I researched a document and was unable to verify what you want to believe.
Second asking someone for proof of what they are saying is not denial, it is a request for proof of these documents actually saying what you claim they do.
"It exists in Walker's budget bill, where pension contributions by the state were cut to pay for Walker's tax cuts. "
OK but where???

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not what we talking about.

Clip-Clop (and now you, I guess) are apparently trying to make the ridiculous contention that Walker did NOT cut union pensions and benefits, and that money then went into his budget (which had, and still has, a huge deficit) and then Walker gave tax cuts.

This started with Clip-Clop saying that no, nobody has ever given tax cuts to the wealthy on the backs of the poor.

The Ryan budget and Walker's budget are the obvious examples of doing exactly that.

Reality - it's far too complicated for some.

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed). Act 10 gave the tools to the municipalities to negotiate for the first time ever employee contributions to pensions and health care.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Please prove where Govenor Walker's budget repair bill cut pensions and benefits (Current pensions are guaranteed under law and can't be changed).

That's not what I said. Pay attention and stop changing the subject.

Clip-Clop said no pensions or benefits were cut to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy. Walker's budget did exactly that. Act 10 increased the personal contributions of workers to their pensions and benefits, decreasing the state contributions, and those state monies - monies gained where pension and benefit contributions were cut by the state - went to tax cuts.

Walker screwed the unions, to give tax cuts.

Thank goodness the Democrats have taken over the state Senate. Now Walker can't call a special session this summer, as he planned, to give that mining bill gift of environmental deregulation to his big donor, and shove through a "right to work for less" bill as he promised his other wealthy donor he would for her (on tape).

The current speculation is that Walker will be indicted by the FBI within 8 weeks.