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[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Keep trying to change the subject. Please explain to me how the department of labor obtains their numbers and how the numbers were obtained that were released today?

It's not "changing the subject" of recalling Walker to mention his ongoing felony investigation, his budget crisis, his taking of money intended towards homeowners, his being caught lying about union busting red-handed, or Wisconsin's "worse in the nation" jobs loss performance.

But back to Walker lying about labor statistics ... Here you go. Here's a good explanation about the unverified (non-corrected for error) numbers Walker has released early, from Forbes.

It is an in-depth, two-page analysis with good information.

Scott Walker Magically Turns Dismal Wisconsin Job Numbers Into A Pre-Election Miracle

With Wisconsin suffering the worst job loss numbers in the nation for the calendar year 2011, Governor Scott Walker promised yesterday that he will reveal newly revised numbers this week that will, effectively, change water into wine on the Wisconsin job front.

And he’s done it just in time for the June 5th recall election.

So, just how is Walker about to turn Wisconsin’s dismal job numbers from lemons to lemonade? (Note: See Update at the end of this article discussing the Governor’s revisions out today, May 16th)

The Governor has simply decided to ignore the system used by the Department of Labor —and every other state in the nation —to measure job growth (or loss) and elected instead to go with a different set of numbers that makes things in Wisconsin look better.

Who knew it could be so easy to solve a jobs crisis?

With Wisconsin’s lagging job growth now driving voter sentiment as the state heads towards the June 5th election,

Walker’s Wisconsin Department of Revenue’s Chief Economist, John Koskinen, offered a presentation last week to Walker staff members and state economic officials accountants from the Association of Government Accountants wherein he made the case for an alternate system of measuring job creation— one that would be ‘unique’ to the Badger State.

... snip ...

Koskinen’s essential pitch is that the Establishment Payroll Survey—the Department of Labor (DOL) survey conducted each month to produce the jobs numbers—is an unfair way to go about counting jobs in Wisconsin. Why? Because the numbers look worse for Wisconsin under this method of counting than they would when the state relies upon on a different survey done each month by the DOL entitled the “Current Population Survey.”

The problem is, whether convenient to Wisconsin or not, the Establishment Payroll Survey is the metric used by the DOL —and the system relied upon by every other state in the nation— to measure job growth.

Continued http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...ction-miracle/

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not "changing the subject" of recalling Walker to mention his ongoing felony investigation, his budget crisis, his taking of money intended towards homeowners, his being caught lying about union busting red-handed, or Wisconsin's "worse in the nation" jobs loss performance.

But back to Walker lying about labor statistics ... Here you go. Here's a good explanation about the unverified (non-corrected for error) numbers Walker has released early, from Forbes.

It is an in-depth, two-page analysis with good information.

Is walker under investigation? Didn't walker just give a huge grant to WHEDA?

Is Rick Unger an economist? What is his background?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Is walker under investigation?

He isn't supposed to be, but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future.

Is Rick Unger an economist? What is his background?

You can read his economic pedigree at Forbes.

There are plenty of other news stories today on this odd and unusual move by Walker, and the "new and unique" way he's decided to suddenly start calculating the jobs numbers for Wisconsin, differently than every other state in the union, and differently from the way Wisconsin has always done it in the past.

Gee - could it be Walker is trying to lie about his dismal job creation record, and cover it up two weeks before his recall election?

Here's excerpts from one:

Madison - Pushing back against Democratic critics of his jobs record, Gov. Scott Walker on Wednesday trumpeted a new job creation number sent this week to federal officials.

The new number sent to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that Wisconsin gained 23,321 jobs, both public and private, between December 2010 and December 2011.

Normally, the state would leave it to federal officials to release that number next month after the June 5 recall election for Gov. Scott Walker, but instead in an unusual move the Walker administration released the number early to the public Wednesday.

But administration officials so far have not provided other figures that are normally released with the overall job creation figure, such as how many of the jobs were in the private sector and how many in the public sector, though they said they might release those later Wednesday.

Officials in two other neighboring states run by Democratic governors, Illinois and Minnesota, said they didn't believe their states had released such numbers in the past ahead of the federal government.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...151774215.html

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

He isn't supposed to be, but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future..

The above is false, but again why let the facts enter the discussion.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The above is false, but again why let the facts enter the discussion.

I said, about the ongoing John Doe felony investigation into Walkers office at his previous government job:

Originally Posted by Riot
He isn't supposed to be, [under investigation] but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future..

What is false about that statement? Be specific. Enter the facts into the discussion.

I'll go first.

Walker, who was elected governor in 2010, hasn't been charged with any wrongdoing and has repeatedly said he's not the focus of the probe.

He disclosed in March, though, that he set up a legal defense fund using $60,000 in campaign contributions with guidance from the Government Accountability Board. State law allows such moves only if officeholders or their agents have been charged with or are under investigation for election or campaign violations.

It appears my statement is 100% correct. Walker isn't charged, but GAB allowed him to set a defense fund, that can only be set up if, quoting GAB, "you are charged with or under investigation for election or campaign violations".

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What is false about that statement? Be specific.

Governor Walker does not have to be under investigation personally in order to have a legal defense fund.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Governor Walker does not have to be under investigation personally in order to have a legal defense fund.

The Government Accountability Board has repeatedly and publicly said differently since they (the GAB) helped Walker set up the fund according to the law.

Can you quote where you are getting your completely different information?