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[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Keep trying to redirect, change the subject etc. Fact is that WI had job gains, not losses.

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (the nationally-recognized standard) Wisconsin lost 23,000 jobs in 2011, the worse state in the national (every other state posted equality or gains)

The newspaper article you posted listed 39,000 jobs lost via different method. And then a method used by Walker alone to show that everyone else is wrong, he's really created jobs.

I'll stick with the historical accuracy and common use of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, used nationally and for some time to accurately quantitate job losses in all states.

Fact is that if the political climate was better the job creation would be higher. If the democrats didn't waste all the money, time, etc on the recalls then we would have higher job creation. Fact is that the democrats stopped the mining bill and prevented more job creation. Fact is Tom Barrett has done nothing to create jobs (well he does want a Streetcar).

Those are opinion. Not fact. There is a difference, you know.

Fact is the democrats and you are hoping that the state fails under Walker at all costs (even to the detriment of the working people).

I can't speak for "the Democrats" (and either can you) but no, I do not hope Wisconsin fails.

IMO, the Walker adminstration has been already been a disaster for Wisconsin, and the fail exists now: lying, budget overruns, union busting, job loss.

I am working hard to help contribute to his recall be effective, and for Walker to be voted out of office.

Your logic is that a survey is better than cold hard facts.

Oh yeah new poll shows Walker's lead getting bigger. Based on your logic we don't need to even hold the recall election since the polls show Walker is ahead by 6 points.

What "survey" are you referring to? What "logic"?

I mentioned is that Walker is ahead of Barrett in the polls now by, at the least, 5 points (range 5-6). That's fact, not "logic". You're just not making sense now.

In honor of your anger and discomfit, I just donated another $50 to Tom Barrett via Act Blue for his ads.

He's five points behind, he needs all the help he can get against Walker's outside oil money and national backers for the ALEC and Koch Brothers agenda. Scott Walker is a liar, and needs to be voted out of office. I am glad there is a historic recall election of this governor, he deserves it. I certainly stand behind my friends and family working hard to do so in Wisconsin. You are free to vote for Walker, and work hard for his re-election.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics (the nationally-recognized standard) Wisconsin lost 23,000 jobs in 2011, the worse state in the national (every other state posted equality or gains)

The newspaper article you posted listed 39,000 jobs lost via different method. And then a method used by Walker alone to show that everyone else is wrong, he's really created jobs.

I'll stick with the historical accuracy and common use of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, used nationally and for some time to accurately quantitate job losses in all states.



Those are opinion. Not fact. There is a difference, you know.



I can't speak for "the Democrats" (and either can you) but no, I do not hope Wisconsin fails.

IMO, the Walker adminstration has been already been a disaster for Wisconsin, and the fail exists now: lying, budget overruns, union busting, job loss.

I am working hard to help contribute to his recall be effective, and for Walker to be voted out of office.



What "survey" are you referring to? What "logic"?

I mentioned is that Walker is ahead of Barrett in the polls now by, at the least, 5 points (range 5-6). That's fact, not "logic". You're just not making sense now.

In honor of your anger and discomfit, I just donated another $50 to Tom Barrett via Act Blue for his ads.

He's five points behind, he needs all the help he can get against Walker's outside oil money and national backers for the ALEC and Koch Brothers agenda. Scott Walker is a liar, and needs to be voted out of office. I am glad there is a historic recall election of this governor, he deserves it. I certainly stand behind my friends and family working hard to do so in Wisconsin. You are free to vote for Walker, and work hard for his re-election.

keep sending the money Barrett needs it.

Why don't you take the time to learn how the department of labor comes up with their figures? Once you understand this maybe then you can see how the numbers that were reported today are much more accurate. There are independent economists that have verified this as well.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

keep sending the money Barrett needs it.

Why don't you take the time to learn how the department of labor comes up with their figures? Once you understand this maybe then you can see how the numbers that were reported today are much more accurate. There are independent economists that have verified this as well.

No, the figures are not "more accurate", they are different, using different parameters.

Walker has to go to this obtuse method to show a job gain.

Most people, especially economists, are aware of that. I am. You?

The good thing is that, due to other recalls, Walker has already lost his majority of legislature, so the checks and balances on his ALEC and KOCH agenda will now be in place, even if he wins his recall election. There are still other recalls pending on election day, too. Wisconsin citizens are mad. They recalled these dangerous bozos as soon as they could legally do so. Historic lack of voter confidence.

The worse thing is Walker lied during his campaign, and lied to the public after his election. He said he was not trying to union bust, but he's caught on video tape saying his intention is to "divide and conquer" to union bust. He's a proven, demonstrable liar, and a mere tool of the ALEC GOP agenda. Here is the video of Walker lying. With comments from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuze...layer_embedded

That's a bit worse than "ACORN registers voters OMG!"

Walker also has a massive ongoing felony investigation of the illegal political practices that occurred within his office at his last government job, has had to create a defense fund for that (only permissable to legally create if he's undergoing investigation) and he's ruined the states' budget, with massive deficit due to his tax cuts and with his having to take money from suffering homeowners to close a little bit of his gap. I can't imagine why you are so angry and defending this loser. If the above had been done by a Democratic governor, you're head would be exploding in your rush to get him recalled and out of office. So would my head. That's why Walker has been recalled, and must undergo another election if he wants to regain his seat.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, the figures are not "more accurate", they are different, using different parameters.

Walker has to go to this obtuse method to show a job gain.

Most people, especially economists, are aware of that. I am. You?

The good thing is that, due to other recalls, Walker has already lost his majority of legislature, so the checks and balances on his ALEC and KOCH agenda will now be in place, even if he wins his recall election. There are still other recalls pending on election day, too. Wisconsin citizens are mad. They recalled these dangerous bozos as soon as they could legally do so. Historic lack of voter confidence.

The worse thing is Walker lied during his campaign, and lied to the public after his election. He said he was not trying to union bust, but he's caught on video tape saying his intention is to "divide and conquer" to union bust. He's a proven, demonstrable liar, and a mere tool of the ALEC GOP agenda. Here is the video of Walker lying. With comments from George Carlin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuze...layer_embedded

That's a bit worse than "ACORN registers voters OMG!"

Walker also has a massive ongoing felony investigation of the illegal political practices that occurred within his office at his last government job, has had to create a defense fund for that (only permissable to legally create if he's undergoing investigation) and he's ruined the states' budget, with massive deficit due to his tax cuts and with his having to take money from suffering homeowners to close a little bit of his gap. I can't imagine why you are so angry and defending this loser. If the above had been done by a Democratic governor, you're head would be exploding in your rush to get him recalled and out of office. So would my head. That's why Walker has been recalled, and must undergo another election if he wants to regain his seat.

Keep trying to change the subject. Please explain to me how the department of labor obtains their numbers and how the numbers were obtained that were released today?

BTW- Barrett's wife used her email at MPS during the time which she was working at MPS for political purposes. I don't see you reporting on that. Nor is the liberal media. Many of your above comments are completely false, but I am trying to stick to the subject of jobs

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Keep trying to change the subject. Please explain to me how the department of labor obtains their numbers and how the numbers were obtained that were released today?

It's not "changing the subject" of recalling Walker to mention his ongoing felony investigation, his budget crisis, his taking of money intended towards homeowners, his being caught lying about union busting red-handed, or Wisconsin's "worse in the nation" jobs loss performance.

But back to Walker lying about labor statistics ... Here you go. Here's a good explanation about the unverified (non-corrected for error) numbers Walker has released early, from Forbes.

It is an in-depth, two-page analysis with good information.

Scott Walker Magically Turns Dismal Wisconsin Job Numbers Into A Pre-Election Miracle

With Wisconsin suffering the worst job loss numbers in the nation for the calendar year 2011, Governor Scott Walker promised yesterday that he will reveal newly revised numbers this week that will, effectively, change water into wine on the Wisconsin job front.

And he’s done it just in time for the June 5th recall election.

So, just how is Walker about to turn Wisconsin’s dismal job numbers from lemons to lemonade? (Note: See Update at the end of this article discussing the Governor’s revisions out today, May 16th)

The Governor has simply decided to ignore the system used by the Department of Labor —and every other state in the nation —to measure job growth (or loss) and elected instead to go with a different set of numbers that makes things in Wisconsin look better.

Who knew it could be so easy to solve a jobs crisis?

With Wisconsin’s lagging job growth now driving voter sentiment as the state heads towards the June 5th election,

Walker’s Wisconsin Department of Revenue’s Chief Economist, John Koskinen, offered a presentation last week to Walker staff members and state economic officials accountants from the Association of Government Accountants wherein he made the case for an alternate system of measuring job creation— one that would be ‘unique’ to the Badger State.

... snip ...

Koskinen’s essential pitch is that the Establishment Payroll Survey—the Department of Labor (DOL) survey conducted each month to produce the jobs numbers—is an unfair way to go about counting jobs in Wisconsin. Why? Because the numbers look worse for Wisconsin under this method of counting than they would when the state relies upon on a different survey done each month by the DOL entitled the “Current Population Survey.”

The problem is, whether convenient to Wisconsin or not, the Establishment Payroll Survey is the metric used by the DOL —and the system relied upon by every other state in the nation— to measure job growth.

Continued http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...ction-miracle/

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not "changing the subject" of recalling Walker to mention his ongoing felony investigation, his budget crisis, his taking of money intended towards homeowners, his being caught lying about union busting red-handed, or Wisconsin's "worse in the nation" jobs loss performance.

But back to Walker lying about labor statistics ... Here you go. Here's a good explanation about the unverified (non-corrected for error) numbers Walker has released early, from Forbes.

It is an in-depth, two-page analysis with good information.

Is walker under investigation? Didn't walker just give a huge grant to WHEDA?

Is Rick Unger an economist? What is his background?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Is walker under investigation?

He isn't supposed to be, but the only way you can legally establish the defense fund Walker has established is if you are under investigation.

So that's confusing and implies there may be something pending and coming out in the future.

Is Rick Unger an economist? What is his background?

You can read his economic pedigree at Forbes.

There are plenty of other news stories today on this odd and unusual move by Walker, and the "new and unique" way he's decided to suddenly start calculating the jobs numbers for Wisconsin, differently than every other state in the union, and differently from the way Wisconsin has always done it in the past.

Gee - could it be Walker is trying to lie about his dismal job creation record, and cover it up two weeks before his recall election?

Here's excerpts from one:

Madison - Pushing back against Democratic critics of his jobs record, Gov. Scott Walker on Wednesday trumpeted a new job creation number sent this week to federal officials.

The new number sent to the federal Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that Wisconsin gained 23,321 jobs, both public and private, between December 2010 and December 2011.

Normally, the state would leave it to federal officials to release that number next month after the June 5 recall election for Gov. Scott Walker, but instead in an unusual move the Walker administration released the number early to the public Wednesday.

But administration officials so far have not provided other figures that are normally released with the overall job creation figure, such as how many of the jobs were in the private sector and how many in the public sector, though they said they might release those later Wednesday.

Officials in two other neighboring states run by Democratic governors, Illinois and Minnesota, said they didn't believe their states had released such numbers in the past ahead of the federal government.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo...151774215.html