Doug O'Neill

[Indian Charlie]

Yeah, O'Neill is a scumbag. Probably stems from a white trash background is my guess.

I am curious about something though. If milkshaking is so great at masking drugs, how is it that he gets caught? Does he not milkshake the horses that he uses illegal meds in?????????????

That would be pretty dumb on his part, if he is indeed using sodium bicarb to mask drugs.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, O'Neill is a scumbag. Probably stems from a white trash background is my guess.

I am curious about something though. If milkshaking is so great at masking drugs, how is it that he gets caught? Does he not milkshake the horses that he uses illegal meds in?????????????

That would be pretty dumb on his part, if he is indeed using sodium bicarb to mask drugs.

because it's not an exact science? we all know different horses metabolize differently.
with the amount of times he's been caught, you've got to wonder how often he cheats.
the fact that many trainers have zero positives tells quite a tale as well. btw, if his position is that their testing is flawed, wouldn't it be popping multiple trainers?

as for the milkshaking, since it's currently banned, i feel zero pity for those who use it. unlike lasix, it seems it has a masking quality and enhances performance. using something that's banned is an attempt to give yourself an edge that others won't have, as they won't break the rules. nor should they.

[tector]

I don't think the masking effect is firmly established, and, if it occurs, may only apply to some drugs and not others.

http://bit.ly/JJgpPH

[slotdirt]

So based on the stats used by NYT, is Doug O'Neill basically the trainer version of Ruidoso Downs?

[HaloWishingwell]

Just bringing some positive to the week...

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/tr...-team-o-neill/

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

I don't think the masking effect is firmly established, and, if it occurs, may only apply to some drugs and not others.

http://bit.ly/JJgpPH

I rue the day I used Let Me Google That For You on here to answer someone sarcastically.

Not sure why you used that on me, as I have a pretty solid understanding of sodium bicarbonate (I have read books on it's use in humans).

You know what is kind of silly about the idea of using bicarbonates as a diuretic to flush drugs?

It's that there is a really safe, common and totally legal substance that is a highly effective diuretic. It's called dihydrogen monoxide.

Some will say it's dangerous stuff though, which you can read about here. I use this all the time however to increase urine output in myself.

http://tinyurl.com/yhtm2aq

[tector]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I rue the day I used Let Me Google That For You on here to answer someone sarcastically.

Not sure why you used that on me,

Because I'm even a bigger douche bag than you? That's what they used to say back in the day. And those horsey girls were never wrong!

I do know you have a lot of knowledge on some of these issues, so I was not implying to the contrary. My knowledge of drugs is lesser in scope, but perhaps more...hands on, but limited to humans. And cats.

[Antitrust32]

hahah!

[pointman]

I guess he didn't get the nickmame Drug O'Neill by mistake.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by tector

Because I'm even a bigger douche bag than you? That's what they used to say back in the day. And those horsey girls were never wrong!

I do know you have a lot of knowledge on some of these issues, so I was not implying to the contrary. My knowledge of drugs is lesser in scope, but perhaps more...hands on, but limited to humans. And cats.

Wow, I've been called dogmatic and a douche bag in the last 24 hours!

I don't think I've ever been called either before, but I've been called worse.