Oaks and Derby Handicapping

[ADJMK]

Keep hearing that Union Rags is not bred for the distance.Does anyone know if any of Dixie Union's progeny has run or even attempted to go 1 1/4?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ADJMK

Keep hearing that Union Rags is not bred for the distance.Does anyone know if any of Dixie Union's progeny has run or even attempted to go 1 1/4?

Grasshopper did in the '07 Travers. In addition to having the same sire, Union Rags & Grasshoppers' dams have a similar pedigree so he might be one to look at as a comparison if you're interested in that sort of thing.

Personally I don't see anything about Union Rags in his pedigree or (more importantly) in his past performances that says 10f will neccesarily be a problem for him. Doesn't mean it won't be, but I see no reason to think that the 1f stretch out will hurt (or help) this particular colt.

[richard]

He's from the family of Colonial Affair, winner of the Belmont S. Also from family of Angliana, 2nd in the 10F Red Smith H., 11F Lawrence Realization, and 13F Gallant Fox. 2nd dam Terpsichorist set a ntr @ Med for 11F in 2:13, so distance does not appear to be a disqualifier.

[Thunder Gulch]

UR certainly doesn't have that classic 10 f pedigree, but the last decade has been a parade of 8-9f pedigree looks that won on class.

[VOL JACK]

Speaking of Grasshopper, where is he standing at stud.
He was a gorgeous horse.

[VOL JACK]

Nevermind, I found it on pedigree query.
He is standing at Lane's end Texas.

Mambo in Seattle is standing in South Africa.

[-BT-]

The 26th running of the $500,000-added Woodford Reserve Turf Classic (Grade I) for 4-year-olds and up at 1
1/8 miles on the Matt Winn Turf Course: Al Khali, Brilliant Speed, Casino Host, Data Link, Doubles Partner, Get
Stormy, Little Mike, Papaw Bodie, Slim Shadey-GB, Turallure and Turbo Compressor.

would love to get ANY sort of value on him off his last

-bt-

[RockHardTen1985]

When will the Oaks card be out?

[Gate Dancer]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

When will the Oaks card be out?

I believe sometime Tuesday evening...............

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

When will the Oaks card be out?

Oaks draw is today at 11:00 eastern time. Hopefully the full card will be out by mid afternoon.

[Sightseek]

Has the Oaks been drawn? I got a TDN alert that Grace Hall was made the favorite.

[-BT-]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Has the Oaks been drawn? I got a TDN alert that Grace Hall was made the favorite.

http://www.drf.com/news/churchill-do...-kentucky-oaks

-bt-

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Has the Oaks been drawn? I got a TDN alert that Grace Hall was made the favorite.

1 On Fire Baby Joe Johnson 4-1
2 Grace Hall Javier Castellano 5-2
3 Summer Applause Garrett Gomez 15-1
4 Eden's Moon Martin Garcia 12-1
5 Hard Not to Like Robby Albarado 20-1
6 Broadway's Alibi John Velazquez 4-1
7 Sacristy Mike Smith 50-1
8 Jemima's Pearl Joe Talamo 10-1
9 Believe You Can Rosie Napravnik 10-1
10 And Why Not Julien Leparoux 15-1
11 Karlovy Vary James Graham 20-1
12 Colonial Empress Corey Nakatani 50-1
13 Amie's Dini Jon Court 10-1
14 Yara Jesus Castanon 30-1
AE Oaks Lilly Rafael Bejarano 50-1

[Danzig]

http://www.drf.com/news/beyer-speeds...ucky-derby-fit


beyer on trinniberg and the potential to affect some of the other horses.

[analyizethis]

Any information on jockeys for El Padrino, Alpha or Rousing Sermon?

I think they each last their rider to another runner in the Derby.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by analyizethis

Any information on jockeys for El Padrino, Alpha or Rousing Sermon?

I think they each last their rider to another runner in the Derby.

El Padrino - Bejarano
Rousing Sermon - Lezcano
Alpha - Maragh (likely)

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Danzig

http://www.drf.com/news/beyer-speeds...ucky-derby-fit


beyer on trinniberg and the potential to affect some of the other horses.

Mr. Parbhoo might want to talk the owners of Keyed Entry to see what can happen to a nice sprinter like this when they are put in the Derby. I don't recall how far Keyed Entry ran before the Derby though I think it was further than what Trinniberg has run, but that horse was never the same after the Derby.

[slotdirt]

Keyed Entry ran in the Wood as his Derby prep.