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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If you are talking about horses with established form being enhanced it would be a much clearer picture. How exactly can you show an enhanced performance with horses who have no baseline performance? Comparing those with and without simply on the basis of one factor and drawing an absolute conclusion? Who is good with first time starters that starts them without lasix nowdays? Anybody? You may be correct in your assessment but the data used is not really pertinent except in a roundabout fashion.
I have no doubt that horses treated aggressively with gastrogard for stomach ulcers perform far greater than those who arent treated but because those horses are not designated no one talks about that. Using the logic that some do, Gastrogard would be considered a performance enhancer as well.
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You can believe what you want, but since I do this for a living, I can tell with certainty that the numbers I provided for maidens almost guarantee the maidens without lasix are at a disadvantage. The betting public isn't dumb. They know the good trainers, and which horses are working good, and which are bred to win early. In a sample as large as I'm talking, all those things even out between the Lasix and non-Lasix horses. The difference is return is staggering. Remember, I'm not talking win percentage, I'm talking how the horses perform in relation to how they were bet.
With the Euro horses, we do have a baseline, and the results are strikingly similar. I also mentioned the book "Champions" where you can find plenty of examples. I've looked it up in the past, and I'm not going to do it again to try to prove a point. It is there for anyone bothering to look. You just have to do it with the blinkers off.
I honestly don't care one way or the other about Lasix. There are way bigger problems in the game. However, in my opinion, denying it is a performance enhancer is about as silly as you make all the arguments for banning it appear to be, and probably rightfully so. Why is it banned for human competitors, by the way? I'm curious of your take on that.
I have to ask, do you still think Shane Battier is a better player than Rudy Gay? (You don't have to answer, we all know that was ridiculous, and it is off topic)