When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

GenuineRisk · #1 04-11-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The guys who committed the robbery were dangerous guys. One of them was wanted for an unrelated shooting.

So dangerous they didn't take his wallet or credit cards. The two kids who were charged with robbery stole the old guy's bag of pork rinds. A third was so dangerous he was charged with disorderly conduct.

What's your opinion on the Tulsa shooters? Hate crime or not?

Rupert Pupkin · #2 04-11-2012, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So dangerous they didn't take his wallet or credit cards. The two kids who were charged with robbery stole the old guy's bag of pork rinds. A third was so dangerous he was charged with disorderly conduct.

What's your opinion on the Tulsa shooters? Hate crime or not?

I think it would be totally justified to investigate Tulsa as a hate crime. The perpetrator had rants with racial slurs on his Facebook page. It is extremely likely that the only reason he shot these people were because they were black. Apparently the suspect had a lot of hatred for black people because his father was killed by a black guy.

When there is strong evidence of a hate crime, such as in the Tulsa case, then I think it is fine to investigate it as a hate crime. I just don't like the prosecutors going on fishing expeditions in cases where there is no evidence of a hate crime.

With regard to that other case, I'm not sure I understand your logic. These guys beat up and robbed a 78 year old man. You are saying that they only stole his bag of pork and that makes them less dangerous than if they would have stolen his wallet? By the way, the only reason they didn't take his wallet was because they got scared and ran away when a neighbor yelled at them.

#3 04-11-2012, 11:44 PM

Trying to figure out why Corey overcharged this case IMO. Think they're looking for Z to cop a plea to manslaughter, then it's a win/win for Corey and Gov. Scott. Lose/lose of course for Trayvon and Z, but not as much for Z. He'll be out in five years, and he'll probably be given a program on Fox plus he'll get tons of money for his book.

Ocala Mike

OldDog · #4 04-12-2012, 09:09 AM

Potential "hate crime" defense:

I was drunk.

"Baltimore's police chief today said that the videotaped beating of a white tourist does not appear to be a hate crime, but rather "drunken opportunistic criminality.""

That's a relief.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...beating-879234

bigrun · #5 04-12-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Trying to figure out why Corey overcharged this case IMO. Think they're looking for Z to cop a plea to manslaughter, then it's a win/win for Corey and Gov. Scott. Lose/lose of course for Trayvon and Z, but not as much for Z. He'll be out in five years, and he'll probably be given a program on Fox plus he'll get tons of money for his book.

Ocala Mike

Thought same thing..why the heavier charge...Must have some strong 'facts' we don't know about...I think your ole pal Doc Savage should ghost write Z's book...

#6 04-12-2012, 02:11 PM

Can't listen to Savage anymore; all he's doing lately is shamelessly plugging his new book and bashing both Obama and Romney. I think he's on suicide watch since Rachel Maddow's book is outselling his.

bigrun · #7 04-12-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Can't listen to Savage anymore; all he's doing lately is shamelessly plugging his new book and bashing both Obama and Romney. I think he's on suicide watch since Rachel Maddow's book is outselling his.

Wow, the ultimate insult...

Danzig · #8 04-12-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun

Thought same thing..why the heavier charge...Must have some strong 'facts' we don't know about...I think your ole pal Doc Savage should ghost write Z's book...

the main concern isn't the charge now, but whether they instruct the jury to consider lesser charges later. might as well go for the tougher and see how it plays out.
hell, they might end up with a plea before it's all said and done anyway. if i was zimmerman, i'd be seeing what deal i could get.

bigrun · #9 04-12-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

the main concern isn't the charge now, but whether they instruct the jury to consider lesser charges later. might as well go for the tougher and see how it plays out.
hell, they might end up with a plea before it's all said and done anyway. if i was zimmerman, i'd be seeing what deal i could get.

Good point, see how things shake out...quilty as charged, or of a lesser offense, self defense, nolo contendere etc...one thing is certain, a young man (kid) is dead and justice must be served, whatever that might be..

somerfrost · #10 04-12-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigrun

Good point, see how things shake out...quilty as charged, or of a lesser offense, self defense, nolo contendere etc...one thing is certain, a young man (kid) is dead and justice must be served, whatever that might be..

We just saw what can happen when a prosecutor overcharges (Anthony case)..hopefully they have evidence to back up charge and aren't again pandering to the public.

#11 04-12-2012, 09:23 AM

Watch Zimmerman ask for a speedy trial (which he should) and he'll get acquitted. Then riots.

yay.

Clip-Clop · #12 04-12-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Watch Zimmerman ask for a speedy trial (which he should) and he'll get acquitted. Then riots.

yay.

It is the perfect storm and exactly what is likely to happen.
Disney first!

OldDog · #13 04-24-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Watch Zimmerman ask for a speedy trial (which he should) and he'll get acquitted. Then riots.

yay.

No need to wait.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/2...on-ar-3659891/

Antitrust32 · #14 04-24-2012, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OldDog

No need to wait.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/2...on-ar-3659891/

thats terrible. I hope all 20 people are found and convicted of attempted murder. Send them away for life for all I care.

Rupert Pupkin · #15 04-25-2012, 05:00 PM

Reuters did an exhaustive investigation into Zimmerman. The investigation answers a lot of questions that many of you may have wondered about such as why Zimmerman got a gun, why Zimmerman was asked by neighbors to become the neighborhood watch captain, what types of incidents was Zimmerman involved with in the past in his role as neighborhood watch captain, how neighbors felt about Zimmerman, what types of crimes had been occurring in the neighborhood, what is the racial makeup of the homeowners in the neighborhood, etc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83O18H20120425

Antitrust32 · #16 04-25-2012, 05:15 PM

Thank god Zimmerman does not live in my town, Ocala. Half the town would have been shot dead by now.

Danzig · #17 04-25-2012, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Reuters did an exhaustive investigation into Zimmerman. The investigation answers a lot of questions that many of you may have wondered about such as why Zimmerman got a gun, why Zimmerman was asked by neighbors to become the neighborhood watch captain, what types of incidents was Zimmerman involved with in the past in his role as neighborhood watch captain, how neighbors felt about Zimmerman, what types of crimes had been occurring in the neighborhood, what is the racial makeup of the homeowners in the neighborhood, etc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...83O18H20120425

none of that really matters. had he not followed, ignoring the 911 operator, this thread wouldn't even exist. the shooting wouldn't have occurred.