When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[Rupert Pupkin]

Some courageous young men decided to get justice for Trayvon. I hope these fine young men don't get in trouble for their courageous act.

"While Mr. Watts (78 year old man) was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report."

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...-E-Toledo.html

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Some courageous young men decided to get justice for Trayvon. I hope these fine young men don't get in trouble for their courageous act.

"While Mr. Watts (78 year old man) was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report."

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...-E-Toledo.html

These kids are clearly all class.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Shelby Steele, who happens to be black, wrote an interesting article about the Trayvon Martin case. He says, "The absurdity of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton is that they want to make a movement out of an anomaly. Black teenagers today are afraid of other black teenagers, not whites."


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...134926300.html

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Some courageous young men decided to get justice for Trayvon. I hope these fine young men don't get in trouble for their courageous act.

"While Mr. Watts (78 year old man) was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report."

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...-E-Toledo.html

Not to sound like a broken record about spreading a wide net when reading about a story, but this is an example of when a story is only found on right-wing sites (or left-wing, for that matter), and does not eventually get picked up by the mass media, there may be a reason for it:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...aggerated.html

[herkhorse]

Holy Crap is that Morty!!!???!!!

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Not to sound like a broken record about spreading a wide net when reading about a story, but this is an example of when a story is only found on right-wing sites (or left-wing, for that matter), and does not eventually get picked up by the mass media, there may be a reason for it:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...aggerated.html

I didn't know the Toledoblade was a right-wing site. The story was from the Toledoblade and the change to the story was also from the Toledoblade.

The guys who committed the robbery were dangerous guys. One of them was wanted for an unrelated shooting.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

The guys who committed the robbery were dangerous guys. One of them was wanted for an unrelated shooting.

So dangerous they didn't take his wallet or credit cards. The two kids who were charged with robbery stole the old guy's bag of pork rinds. A third was so dangerous he was charged with disorderly conduct.

What's your opinion on the Tulsa shooters? Hate crime or not?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So dangerous they didn't take his wallet or credit cards. The two kids who were charged with robbery stole the old guy's bag of pork rinds. A third was so dangerous he was charged with disorderly conduct.

What's your opinion on the Tulsa shooters? Hate crime or not?

I think it would be totally justified to investigate Tulsa as a hate crime. The perpetrator had rants with racial slurs on his Facebook page. It is extremely likely that the only reason he shot these people were because they were black. Apparently the suspect had a lot of hatred for black people because his father was killed by a black guy.

When there is strong evidence of a hate crime, such as in the Tulsa case, then I think it is fine to investigate it as a hate crime. I just don't like the prosecutors going on fishing expeditions in cases where there is no evidence of a hate crime.

With regard to that other case, I'm not sure I understand your logic. These guys beat up and robbed a 78 year old man. You are saying that they only stole his bag of pork and that makes them less dangerous than if they would have stolen his wallet? By the way, the only reason they didn't take his wallet was because they got scared and ran away when a neighbor yelled at them.

Trying to figure out why Corey overcharged this case IMO. Think they're looking for Z to cop a plea to manslaughter, then it's a win/win for Corey and Gov. Scott. Lose/lose of course for Trayvon and Z, but not as much for Z. He'll be out in five years, and he'll probably be given a program on Fox plus he'll get tons of money for his book.


Ocala Mike

[OldDog]

Potential "hate crime" defense:

I was drunk.

"Baltimore's police chief today said that the videotaped beating of a white tourist does not appear to be a hate crime, but rather "drunken opportunistic criminality.""

That's a relief.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...beating-879234

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Trying to figure out why Corey overcharged this case IMO. Think they're looking for Z to cop a plea to manslaughter, then it's a win/win for Corey and Gov. Scott. Lose/lose of course for Trayvon and Z, but not as much for Z. He'll be out in five years, and he'll probably be given a program on Fox plus he'll get tons of money for his book.


Ocala Mike

Thought same thing..why the heavier charge...Must have some strong 'facts' we don't know about...I think your ole pal Doc Savage should ghost write Z's book...

Watch Zimmerman ask for a speedy trial (which he should) and he'll get acquitted. Then riots.

yay.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Watch Zimmerman ask for a speedy trial (which he should) and he'll get acquitted. Then riots.

yay.

It is the perfect storm and exactly what is likely to happen.
Disney first!

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Watch Zimmerman ask for a speedy trial (which he should) and he'll get acquitted. Then riots.

yay.

No need to wait.

http://www2.wkrg.com/news/2012/apr/2...on-ar-3659891/

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Not to sound like a broken record about spreading a wide net when reading about a story, but this is an example of when a story is only found on right-wing sites (or left-wing, for that matter), and does not eventually get picked up by the mass media, there may be a reason for it:

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...aggerated.html

Sorry, couldn't resist..

[Rupert Pupkin]

The Washington Post is reporting that Zimmerman is going to be charged, possibly as early as this afternoon.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...oAT_print.html

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Some courageous young men decided to get justice for Trayvon. I hope these fine young men don't get in trouble for their courageous act.

"While Mr. Watts (78 year old man) was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report."

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...-E-Toledo.html

Obviously these are thugs using this case as an excuse to commit violence and they should be charged as such, however this has nothing to do with the Trayvon case and it must be remembered that street thugs come in all colors. After Dr King was murdered, the streets of many cities burned, this violence was criminal but hardly reflected on Dr Kings life and his murder. There will always be an element that is looking for any excuse to "justify" their violent nature...black, while or yellow.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Some courageous young men decided to get justice for Trayvon. I hope these fine young men don't get in trouble for their courageous act.

"While Mr. Watts (78 year old man) was down the boys kicked him, over and over, shouting, "[Get] that white [man]. This is for Trayvon ... Trayvon lives, white [man]. Kill that white [man]," according to a police report."

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fi...-E-Toledo.html

Sounds like a hate crime to me.. Let's see how they treat it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sounds like a hate crime to me.. Let's see how they treat it.

another reason why they made a mistake ever suggesting hate crime legislation. crimes and how they're handled shouldn't be a case of keeping things 'even'. one for one, two for two, etc. 'oh, this group has more charged than that, that's not fair' type stuff.

crime is crime, there shouldn't be more weight because of a perceived reason for the crime.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

another reason why they made a mistake ever suggesting hate crime legislation. crimes and how they're handled shouldn't be a case of keeping things 'even'. one for one, two for two, etc. 'oh, this group has more charged than that, that's not fair' type stuff.

crime is crime, there shouldn't be more weight because of a perceived reason for the crime.

Tend to agree! Federal involvement is sometimes necessary to keep things fair but fairness is seldom legislated.