Tyler Baze - put the whiskey down, son

[Merlinsky]

To GPK and 2MinsToPost, best wishes on your continuing recovery.

Given everything that's happened to the Baze family recently and not knowing any of them personally, it's hard to find words to ease the burden of what they're going through now. My thoughts and prayers are with them and Tyler. I hope we see him back and healthy soon or at least as soon as he's able to be.

[my miss storm cat]

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

You lost me with this one. I don't understand what you are saying.

[gamblin4ever]

1 drink too many, 2 drinks not enough.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

I like some of you so much so please don't be offended cause i don't mean anyone here, just in a general sense...I am so sick of it all.

Before anyone wants to tell me I don't understand no - I do. My dad is and was an alchoholic and my sister is currently in hospital number-God-knows what. She will go to rehab, stay sober for a year or so, and it will come full circle and go round and round like it has year after year.

Maybe it's bleeding heart burnout. Who knows.

I really liked Michael Baze so much, I like Tyler and wish him well as I always did with Kieren, PVal, etc.

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

It does not begin with choice. The alcoholic cannot differentiate between the true & the false. It's a 3 fold illness; mental, physical and spiritual.
An alcoholic has physical allergy to alcohol. Please read the Doctors Opinion in the book Alcoholics Annonomous. I always told myself I was going in the bar for a couple (that's the lie I told myself). Never once had a couple. If I was able to tell myself the truth, I would have thought, I'll go in the bar, have about 12 beers then about 10 gin & tonics and wake up god knows where.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 57rick

I'll go in the bar, have about 12 beers then about 10 gin & tonics and wake up god knows where.

Whoever is serving you that 22nd drink of the night is doing no one a favor.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Whoever is serving you that 22nd drink of the night is doing no one a favor.

If that bartender shut me off, I'd find someone who would.
Better yet, buy a bottle for myself.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 57rick

If that bartender shut me off, I'd find someone who would.
Better yet, buy a bottle for myself.

I get cooly buzzed after two to three drinks. That's all I'm looking for when I drink.

You're like Caller One trying to go a mile and a half.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I get cooly buzzed after two to three drinks. That's all I'm looking for when I drink.

You're like Caller One trying to go a mile and a half.

You're right... and I thought my drinking was 'normal'!
I was wrong again!

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

There comes a point though.

People who get to blame it for everything, just like people who are total **** ups but who blame Mommy and Daddy....

Enough.

Yes it's a disease BUT one that begins with a choice.

I feel sorry for people who horrible random diseases... who never had a say about their death sentence.

Alcoholics, especially the self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness?

I wish everyone well but really... we all have things we deal with. You are not the only ones.

I wonder if you're mistaking "self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness" with "alcoholics who wish people would stop sh*tting all over them and talking down to them, pretending that just a little bit more willpower here and there would fix everything?"

An awfully surprising and obnoxious post from someone for whom empathy is usually (and from me personally, I'd add 'admirably') such a big deal.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by 57rick

Please read the Doctors Opinion in the book Alcoholics Annonomous.

Oh gee may I? Really?

Oh boy I haven't / wasted enough of my life trying to understand, being supportive, rescuing people from bad places and bringing them to their doctors, rehab, 12 step programs, taking care of their personl stuff or their families cause they were too screwed up...

You seem like a nice person so you probably don't know how patronizing this line sounds.

Originally Posted by 57rick

It does not begin with choice.

... because someone puts a gun to their head IN THE FIRST PLACE and insists they drink.

That's my point, that's what I mean., They choose to drink and keep drinking in the first place. You don't become an alcoholic in a matter of days.

I have tried to keep my mouth shut on this thread and just couldn't any more.

I'm sick and tired of all the alcoholics I know anyway acting like they have some kind of badge that makes it okay for them to be so ****ing self-involved cause believe me if other people need them for any emergency, any medical thing, help in the smallest sense of the word or whatever they are too busy reminding the world that THEY HAVE A DISEASE.

Sorry but it is tiresome and after a while I just want to say go drink yourself to death if that's what you want.

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I wonder if you're mistaking "self-absorbed ones who think everyone cares about their daily success in overcoming their gasp sickness" with "alcoholics who wish people would stop sh*tting all over them and talking down to them, pretending that just a little bit more willpower here and there would fix everything?"

An awfully surprising and obnoxious post from someone for whom empathy is usually (and from me personally, I'd add 'admirably') such a big deal.

Maybe it's just that in my life they have to come first and have for the past decade and the minute anyone else needs a single ounce of decency they are offended because to hell with anyone else... they are the only ones with a problem.

[57rick]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Oh gee may I? Really?

Oh boy I haven't / wasted enough of my life trying to understand, being supportive, rescuing people from bad places and bringing them to their doctors, rehab, 12 step programs, taking care of their personl stuff or their families cause they were too screwed up...

You seem like a nice person so you probably don't know how patronizing this line sounds.

... because someone puts a gun to their head IN THE FIRST PLACE and insists they drink.

That's my point, that's what I mean., They choose to drink and keep drinking in the first place. You don't become an alcoholic in a matter of days.

I have tried to keep my mouth shut on this thread and just couldn't any more.

I'm sick and tired of all the alcoholics I know anyway acting like they have some kind of badge that makes it okay for them to be so ****ing self-involved cause believe me if other people need them for any emOergency, any medical thing, help in the smallest sense of the word or whatever they are too busy reminding the world that THEY HAVE A DISEASE.

Sorry but it is tiresome and after a while I just want to say go drink yourself to death if that's what you want.







Maybe it's just that in my life they have to come first and have for the past decade and the minute anyone else needs a single ounce of decency they are offended because to hell with anyone else... they are the only ones with a problem.

I agree with you that's how active alcoholics are.
'selfishness, self-centerness, that we think is the root of our problem'.
I was all I thought about... Me me me; but I didn't know it & no one could make me see it.
It seems from what you write, its family or friends that are alcoholics, not you.
Perhaps you could choose to stop enabling them or go to Al-anon to see how others deal with selfish drunks.

Maybe you're just an awful person, MMSC. I'm ashamed of you for not holding sentient beings accountable for their choices.

"But it's not a choice!"

Suck it hard, moron.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Maybe you're just an awful person, MMSC.

I guess I wont be in the noms for Miss Congeniality now.

Seriously, sorry to anyone I offended but sometimes **** in life makes you change what you believe as I know you all know.

I feel very taken advantage of and while I'm not in general a bitter person i do at times feel like the life is being sucked out of me (enter Freddy with an angels thread joke).

I'm done on this thread.

Good luck to everyone with your issues or those of loved ones.

I hope things get easier all the way around for everyone struggling in any way.