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[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Braun to hold press conference today. He supplied MLB a lie detector test proving innocence. He offered DNA to MLB which they refused. He used his lawyer to get off on a technicality (sample not sent in time). MLB could have avoided looking like fools if they would not have had a leak inside. Great day to be a BREWER FAN! Can't wait to see #8 playing with a chip on his shoulder this year and proving that he in fact wasn't juicing

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.

[3kings]

[quote=Cannon Shell;841012]He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE


Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=3kings;841036]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He will get some abuse but in general I dont think people care that much anymore.[/QUOTE


Do you think he will be as productive with no Fielder plus the added scrutiny?

Probably. "Protection" is a myth for the most part especially when the batter behind him bats from a different side. The guy has been ultra consistent and hits everywhere and everyone. He may get a few less pitches to hit, take more walks, etc but his season last year really wasnt that much different than his other 4 other than he stole more bases and struckout less. What is interesting is that his K rate has decreased with his walk rate has remained identical. His BABIP (batting average on balls in play) was high .350 but isnt far off his lifetime average of .339. He has improved as a hitter but his power numbers have been pretty static. Everyone deals with pressure differently but I would guess he will continue to hit.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...=OF#battedball

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...raunry02.shtml

[jms62]

Mets players take on Braun could be summed up in one emoticon

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1028102

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by jms62

Mets players take on Braun could be summed up in one emoticon

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1028102

The Mets should worry about trying to win 70 games this year.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by wiphan

The Mets should worry about trying to win 70 games this year.

Love the Hebrew Hammer as much as you but what do you make of the Mets contention that "How did synthetic Testosterone get in is urine sample?" Your response is kind of lame and totally ignores the contention of the Mets players.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

I am bias as a brewer fan and a big fan of Braun, but will bet his numbers will not drop off and may improve this year playing with a chip on his shoulder. They lost fielder but got A. Ramirez. Look at his stats. They are very consistent just getting some national attention since the crew finally got some pitching last year. Here are his numbers. Pretty consistent since coming to the Majors at 23yrs of age

2007 .324, 34 hr, 97 rbi, .634 slugging
2008 .285, 37 hr., 106 RBi, .553 slugging
2009 .320, 32 hr, 114 rbi, .551 slugging
2010 .304, 25 hr, 103 rbi, .501 slugging
2011 .332, 33 hr, 111 rbi, .597 slugging

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Let's revisit this in July. I think he struggles with everyone, that is not a Brewer fan, taunting him and throwing syringes at him. He doesn't have Fielder to protect him and he has a lot of extra pressure. He had a career year last year that would have been hard to duplicate any way. I say his numbers drop by at least 25%.

Take a look at Braun's numbers so far in 2012. Not too shabby with no help around him

.331 average 11 hrs, 28 RBI's .402 OBP

Ramirez behind him is batting .218
weeks infront .154, morgan infront .214

So much for his numbers dropping. Anyone still think he was juicing?

[slotdirt]

*raises hand*

I sure do. Then again, I've never believed the Palmeiros and Contadors of the world when they tried to explain away their positives.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

*raises hand*

I sure do. Then again, I've never believed the Palmeiros and Contadors of the world when they tried to explain away their positives.

I do too and also believe he is probably still "juicing" to some extent. Jucing is a very vague term. Can we all agree that most athletes (as well as horse trainers) push the envelope as far as they can? Some occasionally get caught. I guess it is not juicing if you don't get caught.

The name of the game is winning and people will take every advantage they can get. Sometimes they push it too far.

Pay the consequences as dictated by the sport you are participating in and move on.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Take a look at Braun's numbers so far in 2012. Not too shabby with no help around him

.331 average 11 hrs, 28 RBI's .402 OBP

Ramirez behind him is batting .218
weeks infront .154, morgan infront .214

So much for his numbers dropping. Anyone still think he was juicing?

Yes, I think he was juicing. It's a long season and steroids help the most with recovery. Let's just hope the cheating prick starts breaking down like the rest of the cheaters when they quit. He is younger than most cheaters so it may take a little longer.

[declansharbor]

Count me as one who DOESNT believe he was/is cheating, even before he vehemently denied the accusations.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Yes, I think he was juicing. It's a long season and steroids help the most with recovery. Let's just hope the cheating prick starts breaking down like the rest of the cheaters when they quit. He is younger than most cheaters so it may take a little longer.

Wow you have some hate for Braun.

[slotdirt]

I also think he'd probably been "juicing" in some form or fashion for his entire career, but what do I know?

[3kings]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Wow you have some hate for Braun.

It's not hate for Braun. I don't like people who cheat and get off on a technicality. This goes for any walk of life not just athletes. It is similar to people who sue when they know that they were at fault or caused the problem.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by 3kings

It's not hate for Braun. I don't like people who cheat and get off on a technicality. This goes tor any walk of life not just athletes. It is similar to people who sue when they know that they were at fault or caused the problem.

It is tough to say though since you are judging him without knowing all the facts. Would you rather have him take a 50 game suspension even if he was innocent or would you rather have him get off on a technicality since he knew that is how he could get off?

I understand your point and I personally believe in Karma and if he was juicing it will come back to him.

I have had the above happen to me where I was sued because my dog barked at 2 bicylists as they rode by my in laws farm. The women got scared from my chocolate lab and rode off into the gravel fell over and broke her shoulder. They got $40k from my insurance company even though my dog never touched her. Personally I believe they will get what they deserve in the long run so I get your point.

[Cannon Shell]

Who cares what he is doing?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 3kings

It's not hate for Braun. I don't like people who cheat and get off on a technicality. This goes for any walk of life not just athletes. It is similar to people who sue when they know that they were at fault or caused the problem.

Those "technicalities" are in place for a reason.

[slotdirt]

Umps giveth and umps taketh away. In Johan Santana's case, they definitely giveth. Too bad Armando Galarraga didn't get the same respect.