Good debut sires

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Dehere was one of my favorte debut sires before he got deported. Since coming back to America, he's starting to do well again.

I think Dehere got shipped out again. He went to Turkey with Lion Heart.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I think Dehere got shipped out again. He went to Turkey with Lion Heart.

Ouch.

[Calzone Lord]

Salt Lake is a pretty sneaky good broodmare sire of debuters.

2011: 94-12-5-9 (13% wins) 1.94 ROI (Includes 10/1 winner Agave Kiss)
2010: 76-14-7-4 (18% wins) 2.20 ROI (2nd's at 26/1 and 46/1 odds)
2009: 80-11-8-8 (14% wins) 3.64 ROI
2008: 89-16-11-14 (18% wins) 3.25 ROI

* In 2008 alone, 2nd place finishes at 15/1, 15/1, 30/1, and 47/1. As well as 3rd place finishes at 10/1, 12/1, 13/1, 14/1, 30/1, 35/1, and 46/1.

2007: 73-5-4-7 (7% wins) 0.59 ROI (23/1 and 83/1 shots both finished 2nd. Would have REALLY reversed the ROI in a surprisingly bad year)

[Calzone Lord]

Regal Classic -- a Canadian Champion 2yo and second place finisher in the 1987 BC Juvenile -- has had five straight profitable years as a broodmare sire of debuters:

2011: 52-7-4-5 (13% wins) 2.28 ROI
2010: 62-9-5-3 (15% wins) 2.92 ROI
2009: 74-7-6-7 (9% wins) 2.77 ROI
2008: 64-6-9-2 (9% wins) 2.37 ROI
2007: 61-8-2-10 (13% wins) 2.21 ROI

In 2007 alone, he had a 2nd place finisher at 18/1 and 3rd place finishers at 11/1, 14/1, 14/1, 18/1, 24/1, 24/1, 40/1 and 44/1!! Eight of his ten 3rd place finishers that year went off at between 11-to-1 and 44-to-1 odds.

[hockey2315]

Ya - Dehere is by far my favorite broodmare sire for value. . .

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Ya - Dehere is by far my favorite broodmare sire for value. . .

I'm kind of surprised at how horrible Glitterman is at it.

2011: 4-for-46 (9%) $0.75 ROI
2010: 3-for-52 (6%) $0.75 ROI
2009: 3-for-50 (6%) $0.65 ROI
2008: 2-for-46 (4%) $0.39 ROI
2007: 1-for-37 (3%) $0.14 ROI


Five years of single digit win percentages, and brutally low ROI's.

[Calzone Lord]

Arch (sire of Blame) is profitable all 4 years as a broodmare sire with debuters.


2011: 4-for-24 (17%) $2.26 ROI
2010: 6-for-25 (24%) $2.37 ROI (Uncle Mo was one of his winners)
2009: 3-for-21 (14%) $2.28 ROI
2008: 1-for-7 (14%) $2.71 ROI

Obviously small sample size. There will be a ton more Arch mares being bred to.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I'm kind of surprised at how horrible Glitterman is at it.

2011: 4-for-46 (9%) $0.75 ROI
2010: 3-for-52 (6%) $0.75 ROI
2009: 3-for-50 (6%) $0.65 ROI
2008: 2-for-46 (4%) $0.39 ROI
2007: 1-for-37 (3%) $0.14 ROI


Five years of single digit win percentages, and brutally low ROI's.

A Todd Pletcher trained first-time starter out of a Glitterman mare is a morning-line favorite tomorrow at Gulfstream.

They paid 90K for it at OBS June and it's debuting for 50K MCL.

[Calzone Lord]

Indian Charlie's had an ok start as a broodmare sire of debuters:

2011: 35-6-6-6 (17% wins) 2.49 ROI
2010: 21-3-1-3 (14% wins) 1.35 ROI (2nd at 29/1 with horse who debuted in stakes race)
2009: 18-4-2-2 (22% wins) 5.33 ROI

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Indian Charlie's had an ok start as a broodmare sire of debuters:

2011: 35-6-6-6 (17% wins) 2.49 ROI
2010: 21-3-1-3 (14% wins) 1.35 ROI (2nd at 29/1 with horse who debuted in stakes race)
2009: 18-4-2-2 (22% wins) 5.33 ROI

Who was the 29/1 shot in the stakes?