Good debut sires

[3kings]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Also the broodmare sire of Uncle Mo

This is great stuff, thanks Brian & Doug.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Arch (sire of Blame) is profitable all 4 years as a broodmare sire with debuters.


2011: 4-for-24 (17%) $2.26 ROI
2010: 6-for-25 (24%) $2.37 ROI (Uncle Mo was one of his winners)
2009: 3-for-21 (14%) $2.28 ROI
2008: 1-for-7 (14%) $2.71 ROI

Obviously small sample size. There will be a ton more Arch mares being bred to.

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Also the broodmare sire of Uncle Mo

Nice catch!

[Rudeboyelvis]

No stats to back it up, but it appears to me that Woodman broodmares seem to produce good early (if not debut) runners - Brian or Doug, either of you have his stats?

Realize he passed a few years ago - but plenty of his mares are still out there

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Nice catch!

Was just emphasizing for your benefit.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

No stats to back it up, but it appears to me that Woodman broodmares seem to produce good early (if not debut) runners - Brian or Doug, either of you have his stats?

Realize he passed a few years ago - but plenty of his mares are still out there

He had a nice year in 2011. 14% with a $2.08 ROI. He was 9%, $1.71 in 2010.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

I'm kind of surprised at how horrible Glitterman is at it.

2011: 4-for-46 (9%) $0.75 ROI
2010: 3-for-52 (6%) $0.75 ROI
2009: 3-for-50 (6%) $0.65 ROI
2008: 2-for-46 (4%) $0.39 ROI
2007: 1-for-37 (3%) $0.14 ROI


Five years of single digit win percentages, and brutally low ROI's.

A Todd Pletcher trained first-time starter out of a Glitterman mare is a morning-line favorite tomorrow at Gulfstream.

They paid 90K for it at OBS June and it's debuting for 50K MCL.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Kela:

2011: 36-8-2-3 (22% wins) 3.58 ROI

* the two 2nd place finishes at odds of 16/1 and 40/1.

2010: 44-6-1-5 (14% wins) 2.79 ROI
2009: 11-3-0-4 (27% wins) 11.58 ROI (<-- $100+ winner at Hollywood)

Career: 17-for-91

He's got a first-time starter at GP in a cheap MCL race on Friday that might be a gigantic price in a bad race.

Kela also had a debuter run 3rd at 16/1 at Santa Anita a few days ago.

[Dahoss]

My favorite debut sire is GPK.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

My favorite retired sire is GPK.

FTFY

But I did do an amazing job with my only foal.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

My favorite debut sire is GPK.

I thought he was a gelding...................

[GPK]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I thought he was a gelding...................

Nah...too old and shriveled up from lack of use, so they left me intact. Although, it may not be a bad idea. I don't want to risk being arrested for "assault with a dead weapon"

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by GPK

Nah...too old and shriveled up from lack of use, so they left me intact. Although, it may not be a bad idea. I don't want to risk being arrested for "assault with a tiny weapon"

FTFY

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

FTFY

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

A Todd Pletcher trained first-time starter out of a Glitterman mare is a morning-line favorite tomorrow at Gulfstream.

They paid 90K for it at OBS June and it's debuting for 50K MCL.

Finished 8th beaten a dozen lengths at 5/1 odds.

No speed, no finish, never a threat at any point.

[iamthelurker]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

He's got a first-time starter at GP in a cheap MCL race on Friday that might be a gigantic price in a bad race.

Kela also had a debuter run 3rd at 16/1 at Santa Anita a few days ago.

Race is pitiful. Worth a couple bucks.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Rare Bog

One of my favorite sires is Straight Man

Sadly, you don't see many of them anymore.

He was 1-for 10 with first-time starters last year. The lone winner won a debut race in an MCL at Saratoga.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...10812&raceNo=9

He stands for $6,000 -- but I was able to get him for a stud fee of $0.

http://signaturestallions.com/images...umbsize=_thumb

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Sadly, you don't see many of them anymore.

He was 1-for 10 with first-time starters last year. The lone winner won a debut race in an MCL at Saratoga.

http://www1.drf.com/drfNCWeeklyHorse...10812&raceNo=9

He stands for $6,000 -- but I was able to get him for a stud fee of $0.

http://signaturestallions.com/images...umbsize=_thumb

How did it feel?

[hockey2315]

14-1 debut winner out of a Dehere mare at FG

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

14-1 debut winner out of a Dehere mare at FG

14-to-1 on a debut winner out of a Dehere mare today is nice ... but you just got 39-to-1 odds on a debut winner out of a Salt Lake mare tonight.

http://www1.drf.com/drfPDFChartRaces...=20120225&RN=5

The tri paid 2 grand with the two favorites 2nd and 3rd... wish I was smart enough to have that one.

[Calzone Lord]

Dehere's broodmare sire stats with debuters is post #8 and Salt Lake's broodmare sire stats with debuters is post #13.